Re: Response to the j2se licencing concerns

2001-10-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 05:08:22PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > IMO the last sentence of the above-quoted clause may very well be > > DFSG-unfree...in which case the code licensed under it should be yanked. > > I don't think it is. DFSG does n

Re: Response to the j2se licencing concerns

2001-10-14 Thread Stephen Stafford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 14 Oct 2001 6:52 pm, you wrote: > > "Stephen" == Stephen Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > writes: > > Stephen> I am sorry, but licenses which start to talk about > Stephen> indemnifying immediately start warning bells in my he

Re: Response to the j2se licencing concerns

2001-10-14 Thread Stephen Zander
> "Stephen" == Stephen Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Stephen> I am sorry, but licenses which start to talk about Stephen> indemnifying immediately start warning bells in my head. Stephen> If companies are going to release under a free license Stephen> (and get the fanfare

Re: Response to the j2se licencing concerns

2001-10-14 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [License that says ... blah blah .. under certain limitation you may distribute this under a changed license, and then:] > > SGI. Recipient hereby agrees to indemnify SGI for any liability > > incurred by SGI as a result of any such terms Reci

Re: Response to the j2se licencing concerns

2001-10-14 Thread Stephen Stafford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 14 Oct 2001 6:38 am, Stephen Zander wrote: > Please continue to CC Juergen and I, we're not on -legal > > > "Stephen" == Stephen Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > writes: > > Stephen> Read it again. This is clause 3 of the supplem

Re: Response to the j2se licencing concerns

2001-10-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 10:38:07PM -0700, Stephen Zander wrote: > Proof by counter example. This is from the xfree86 licences: > > 2.4 GLX Public License > > GLX PUBLIC LICENSE (Version 1.0 (2/11/99)) ("License") > > 3. Redistribution in Executable Form. The notice set forth in > E

Re: Response to the j2se licencing concerns

2001-10-14 Thread Stephen Zander
Please continue to CC Juergen and I, we're not on -legal > "Stephen" == Stephen Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Stephen> Read it again. This is clause 3 of the supplemental Stephen> terms. Clause 3 pertains to distribution of binaries: This is Sun's supplemental terms for the

Re: Response to the j2se licencing concerns

2001-10-13 Thread Stephen Stafford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [there is no indication in the headers as to whether Stephen wishes to be CCd or not. To be safe I am CCing him] On Sunday 14 Oct 2001 2:34 am, Stephen Zander wrote: > > Mark> The other concern mentioned on debian-legal by Stephen > > Mark>

Re: Response to the j2se licencing concerns

2001-10-13 Thread Stephen Zander
> "Mark" == Mark Wielaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mark> I don't think that the concerns are about the extra clauses Mark> that Blackdown added in their supplemental license. They Mark> could be a bit more clear as has already been noted. It is a Mark> bit unclear how "Linux

Re: Response to the j2se licencing concerns

2001-10-12 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi, On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 07:44:29AM -0700, Stephen Zander wrote: > > Blackdown has been given permission by Sun to alter the terms of the > licence to allow the redistribution of Blackdown released binaries by > Blackdown mirrors and Linux distributions, not just Debian, regardless > of whatev

Re: Response to the j2se licencing concerns

2001-10-12 Thread Stephen Zander
> "Henning" == Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Henning> It is probably enough for non-free, as least for the Henning> Linux-based architectures. It couldn't be included in Henning> Debian GNU/Hurd non-free, however. Unless Hurd can run unaltered i386 Linux binaries, the

Re: Response to the j2se licencing concerns

2001-10-12 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Stephen Zander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The terms granting this permission appear at the end of the document > James included in his email and have been generally overlooked in the > discussion of this package. Please read those terms and let me know > if you continue to have concerns about

Response to the j2se licencing concerns

2001-10-12 Thread Stephen Zander
Blackdown has been given permission by Sun to alter the terms of the licence to allow the redistribution of Blackdown released binaries by Blackdown mirrors and Linux distributions, not just Debian, regardless of whatever else they may distribute. The terms granting this permission appear at the