Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 08:26:14AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > Heh, m, heh-heh. Hey Butthead! I'm a "hard-liner"! > > Heh, m, heh. Heh-heh-heh. He said "hard". > > So, uh, I can go orchestra a coup against Gorbachev, now, right? :) s/orchestra/&te/ Hmm. Apparently when I shift into "

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 10:27:41AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > I'm not sure this would be so overly helpful. This would increase the > possibility of creating sluggish compromise which would maybe agreed > with the diplomats but not accepted by the project afterwards -- not > even speaking of B

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-12 Thread Martin Schulze
Bruce Perens wrote: > Richard, Branden, and Co., > > I remain convinced that hot tempers are getting in the way. Thus, I would like > to make two requests: > > 1. That the Debian folks designate someone other than Branden to speak >the Debian side of this argument. Diplomacy counts. Branden,

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-12 Thread Dylan Thurston
On 2003-09-11, Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If we were to elect a person to serve in this role, I suggest we permit > people to self-nominate for a period, and then the Developers can elect > one using the procedure described in the Debian Constitution. ... Depending on the inten

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-11 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 02:48:26PM +, Dylan Thurston wrote: > On 2003-09-11, Jeremy Hankins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Would it be useful for debian-legal to designate a point-man, as it > > were, who could summarize discussions here and send the result to the > > FSF? It would introduce q

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-11 Thread Dylan Thurston
On 2003-09-11, Jeremy Hankins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 23:38:16 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Perens >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >>> I am hoping that I can deal with both organizations _as_ >>> organizations. >> >> I think this very pr

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-11 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Tuesday, Sep 9, 2003, at 02:38 US/Eastern, Bruce Perens wrote: Were I in your place, I might consider retreating to debian-private Many of the participants in this discussion on the 'Debian side' are not developers, as evidenced by the recent poll here. I personally fall into that categor

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-11 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 23:38:16 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Perens > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> I am hoping that I can deal with both organizations _as_ >> organizations. > > I think this very premise is shaky. No one person can really > represent the Debian pr

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:15:35 -0400, Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I think we (Debian) would be nuts of deprive ourselves of Branden's > experience with licensing issues, and this issue in particular. RMS > doesn't read -legal and I'm quite sure other FSF readers won't read > pers

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 23:38:16 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 21:56:51 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Richard, Branden, and Co., I remain convinced that hot tempers are > getting in the way. Thus, I would like to make two requests:

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-09 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 02:40:08AM -0400, Walter Landry wrote: > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As a postscript, could you please summarize, to the debian-private list, > > the efforts you've made to date to bring the parties to the table, apart > > from those we've already seen on

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-09 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > What, specifically are you requesting? > > > > A) That I stop CCing or otherwise mailing RMS with queries or commentary > >on this subject until your efforts have reached a conclusion, or are > >aband

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-09 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 02:40:08AM -0400, Walter Landry wrote: > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As a postscript, could you please summarize, to the debian-private > > list, the efforts you've made to date to bring the parties to the > > table, apart from those we've already seen on

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-09 Thread charlie derr
Branden Robinson wrote: [RMS not CCed] On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:56:51PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: Richard, Branden, and Co., As a postscript, could you please summarize, to the debian-private list, the efforts you've made to date to bring the parties to the table, apart from those we'

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-09 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > As a postscript, could you please summarize, to the debian-private list, > the efforts you've made to date to bring the parties to the table, apart > from those we've already seen on this list? There's nothing I can't say here. I have had some off-list

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-09 Thread Walter Landry
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a postscript, could you please summarize, to the debian-private list, > the efforts you've made to date to bring the parties to the table, apart > from those we've already seen on this list? I object. This is not appropriate for debian-private. Th

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-09 Thread Bruce Perens
> Brendan, I especially need you I need to spell your name right. Sorry. Bruce

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-09 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What, specifically are you requesting? > > A) That I stop CCing or otherwise mailing RMS with queries or commentary >on this subject until your efforts have reached a conclusion, or are >abandoned; > > or > > B) That I be placed under a gag or

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-09 Thread Branden Robinson
[RMS not CCed] On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:56:51PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: > Richard, Branden, and Co., > > I remain convinced that hot tempers are getting in the way. Thus, I would like > to make two requests: > > 1. That the Debian folks designate someone other than Branden to speak >the