Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-08 17:48:03, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > I agree that offering access as tar.gz should be considered > reasonable. And I would say it is pretty more acceptable than offering > access through a SCM web browser. I would like to interpret GPL as in > spirit and that would mean easy access

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], bizzar name you have... Am 2005-11-08 14:36:26, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > That's also my non-lawyer's opinion. What I will say is some reasoning > about requiring the same terms for copying binaries and source. Not > following them by the word may be mere toleration b

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-09 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On 11/8/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > I have asked some CDs from Ubuntu and they have sent me their > Debian-based distro for free (as in free beer). However, they contain > GPL-licensed software, including dpkg, but not their sources. Ubuntu does distribute sources

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread Evan Prodromou
On Tue, 2005-08-11 at 11:03 -0500, Joey Hess wrote: (Just IMHO, but I think reasonable people would agree.) Isn't that the definition of your opinion? ~ESP -- Evan Prodromou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Debian Project (http://www.debian.org/)

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread cascardo
On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 12:13:08AM +, Lewis Jardine wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >In my opinion, distributing in a medium customarily used for software > >interchange and offering access to copy from a designated place are > >not the same thing. Mainly because you cannot be sure the sour

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread Lewis Jardine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion, distributing in a medium customarily used for software interchange and offering access to copy from a designated place are not the same thing. Mainly because you cannot be sure the source code is properly distributed. You should make sure the person has the

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread cascardo
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 07:56:31PM +, Lewis Jardine wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Remember I have the > >opinion that it is reasonable if you put the sources under a different > >place but with equivalent access (similar bandwidth and availability > >and such) or under some different pr

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 11:03:56AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > What do you people in debian-legal think about people who distribute > > ISO images on their websites but no ISO with sources nor a written > > promise? Should we consider there is an implicit offer and just a

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread Lewis Jardine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Remember I have the opinion that it is reasonable if you put the sources under a different place but with equivalent access (similar bandwidth and availability and such) or under some different protocols or formats as long as they are pretty standard and there are plent

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread cascardo
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 08:39:39PM +0100, Olive wrote: > >That's why you should offer an *equivalent* access to the sources in > >the *same* place. > > > >Any disagreements and comments are welcome. Remember I have the > >opinion that it is reasonable if you put the sources under a different > >pla

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread cascardo
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 02:38:50PM -0500, Evan Prodromou wrote: > On Tue, 2005-08-11 at 11:57 -0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > What do you people in debian-legal think about people who distribute > > ISO images on their websites but no ISO with sources nor a written > > promise? Should we con

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread Olive
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 11:57:05AM -0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you people in debian-legal think about people who distribute ISO images on their websites but no ISO with sources nor a written promise? Should we consider there is an implicit offer and just ask

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread Evan Prodromou
On Tue, 2005-08-11 at 11:57 -0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you people in debian-legal think about people who distribute ISO images on their websites but no ISO with sources nor a written promise? Should we consider there is an implicit offer and just ask for the sources? What does

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread cascardo
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 11:57:05AM -0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What do you people in debian-legal think about people who distribute > ISO images on their websites but no ISO with sources nor a written > promise? Should we consider there is an implicit offer and just ask > for the sources? >

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread Olive
What do you people in debian-legal think about people who distribute ISO images on their websites but no ISO with sources nor a written promise? Should we consider there is an implicit offer and just ask for the sources? I am not a lawyer nor a devlepper of Debian, I just give my humble opin

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread Joey Hess
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What do you people in debian-legal think about people who distribute > ISO images on their websites but no ISO with sources nor a written > promise? Should we consider there is an implicit offer and just ask > for the sources? A file is a file is a file. It doesn't matte

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread cascardo
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 02:51:07PM +0100, Jan Lübbe wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 08.11.2005, 10:37 -0200 schrieb > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > Hello, > > > > I have asked some CDs from Ubuntu and they have sent me their > > Debian-based distro for free (as in free beer). However, they contain > > GPL-lice

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread Jan Lübbe
Am Dienstag, den 08.11.2005, 10:37 -0200 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Hello, > > I have asked some CDs from Ubuntu and they have sent me their > Debian-based distro for free (as in free beer). However, they contain > GPL-licensed software, including dpkg, but not their sources. I also > couldn't f