Re: TPP 14.17

2015-11-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > I expect the FSF/FSFE/SFC/SFLC are all looking at what this means for > Free Software. The SFC concur with Steve Langasek: https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2015/nov/09/gpl-tpp/ -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: TPP 14.17

2015-11-06 Thread Ben Finney
Glenn McGrath writes: > Ok, thanks, i think i see; there is layer of abstraction. > > The country can not requiring the transfer of source code, > The country can allow a person to require the transfer of source code. Well, if you broaden “a person” to include any entity *except* a state, then y

Re: TPP 14.17

2015-11-06 Thread Glenn McGrath
Ok, thanks, i think i see; there is layer of abstraction. The country can not requiring the transfer of source code, The country can allow a person to require the transfer of source code. I imagine high priced lawyers will disagree. On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > On S

Re: TPP 14.17

2015-11-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Nov 07, 2015 at 11:53:23AM +1100, Glenn McGrath wrote: > hmm, i would equate copying with distribtion, but i guess im old and rusty; > > Where am i going wrong with this line of thinking > > 1. The GPL requires the ability to distribute source code to those you > distribute binaries to. >

Re: TPP 14.17

2015-11-06 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Glenn McGrath wrote: > The TPP has a clause that seems to me to be a direct attack on copyleft > licences. Some more discussion of this issue: http://keionline.org/node/2363 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10519031 I expect the FSF/FSFE/SFC/SFLC are all look

Re: TPP 14.17

2015-11-06 Thread Glenn McGrath
hmm, i would equate copying with distribtion, but i guess im old and rusty; Where am i going wrong with this line of thinking 1. The GPL requires the ability to distribute source code to those you distribute binaries to. 2. This clause says; No Party (Country) can require the transfer of ... sour

Re: TPP 14.17

2015-11-06 Thread Walter Landry
Glenn McGrath wrote: > Hi all; > > The TPP has a clause that seems to me to be a direct attack on copyleft > licences. > > Hoping someone can tell me i am wrong, and everything will be ok. > > Article 14.17: Source Code > 1. No Party shall require the transfer of, or access to, source code > of