Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-20 Thread Ben Pfaff
Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> A more serious question is whether a minor can license his own work without >> his guardian's consent. I don't think he can. > Boy, I hope that doesn't

Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-19 Thread John Hasler
Jules writes: > I checked with my local friendly software lawyer. He said that minors > can enter into copyright licenses - the key point being that a copyright > license *gives* a right which the minor didn't have before (so he can't > complain it's restricting him). My thinking exactly. I'm al

Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-19 Thread John Hasler
Ben Pfaff writes: > Boy, I hope that doesn't invalidate all the code (and copyright > assignments) I wrote for FSF and Debian before I turned 18 :-) Did you get your mother to sign for you :-) -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED] D

Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-19 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >A more serious question is whether a minor can license his own work without >his guardian's consent. I don't think he can. I think that a court would >rule that in doing so he is giving up valuable rights and that he is not >competen

Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-19 Thread Henning Makholm
Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> A more serious question is whether a minor can license his own work without >> his guardian's consent. I don't think he can. > Boy, I hope that doesn't invalidate all the code (and copyright > assignments) I wrote

Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's"): ... > Copyright law makes it a civil offence to do certain things to a > copyrighted work without permission (called a licence) from the > copyright holder. Children can in most jurisdictions be held > responsible for civ

Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Jules Bean writes ("Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's"): ... > There is a license. > > I quote from the book in my hands > > "Copyright (c) 1997,1996 O'Reilly and Associates, Inc. All rights > reserved." > > Thats a license. The most restrictive aro

Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-19 Thread Jules Bean
On 18 Mar 1999, John Hasler wrote: > Jules Bean writes: > > But you think that minors cannot work on GPL programs? > > I said *if* a minor cannot agree to the GPL. I'm not entirely certain he > can't. > > It is my understanding that the theory behind the unenforceability of > contracts with min

Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-19 Thread Ben Pfaff
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: A more serious question is whether a minor can license his own work without his guardian's consent. I don't think he can. I think that a court would rule that in doing so he is giving up valuable rights and that he is not competent to make the

Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-19 Thread John Hasler
Jules Bean writes: > But you think that minors cannot work on GPL programs? I said *if* a minor cannot agree to the GPL. I'm not entirely certain he can't. It is my understanding that the theory behind the unenforceability of contracts with minors is that they are considered to be unable to unde

Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-18 Thread Jules Bean
On 18 Mar 1999, John Hasler wrote: > Jules Bean writes: > > > You don't think licenses are enforceable on minors. I find that hard to > > believe. > > A free software license grants rights beyond those permitted to the owner > of a copy by copyright law. If a free license is a contract and a m

Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-18 Thread John Hasler
Jules Bean writes: > There is a license. > I quote from the book in my hands > "Copyright (c) 1997,1996 O'Reilly and Associates, Inc. All rights > reserved." That is not a license. A license grants rights. That grants none. It is just a copyright notice. You would have exactly the same righ

Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-18 Thread Henning Makholm
Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Now, you don't know the answer here, and neither do I. You don't think > licenses are enforceable on minors. I find that hard to believe. I > suggest we wait until someone else comes along who can clear this up. IANAL, so this possibly doesn't qualify a

Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-18 Thread Jules Bean
On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 05:36:57PM +, Jules Bean wrote: > > > > AFAIK, minors aren't allowed to violate a copyright any more than any > > > > one > > > > else. It would be nice to hear a lawyer on this, though. > > > > > > Minors can not legally b

Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-18 Thread Joseph Carter
On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 05:36:57PM +, Jules Bean wrote: > > > AFAIK, minors aren't allowed to violate a copyright any more than any one > > > else. It would be nice to hear a lawyer on this, though. > > > > Minors can not legally be held to contracts in the US, however in the > > real world y

Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-18 Thread Jules Bean
On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 05:12:22PM +, Jules Bean wrote: > > There's a big difference between a contract, and a license. (Well, maybe > > it's a pretty small difference, actually...). > > Au contraire, there is NO difference. A License to use Copyr

Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-18 Thread Joseph Carter
On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 05:12:22PM +, Jules Bean wrote: > There's a big difference between a contract, and a license. (Well, maybe > it's a pretty small difference, actually...). Au contraire, there is NO difference. A License to use Copyrighted material is in fact a contract. > Are you sa

Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-18 Thread Jules Bean
On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Chris Lawrence wrote: > On Mar 19, Ron wrote: > > I quote: > > "... In any event, you must be of majority age and otherwise competent > > to enter into contracts to accept this license." > > > > Sorry kids.. you may be old enough to write your own OS, but you'll > > need a n