Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-05-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Anthony Towns writes: > On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 05:25:02PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > 3) Would anyone be willing to help with souch a complaint? > > Send it to the FSF's gpl enforcement team. > > I'm lost. Why are we arguing and going to "enforcement teams" instead > of just offe

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-05-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, May 10, 2003 at 06:37:15PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 05:25:02PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > 3) Would anyone be willing to help with souch a complaint? > > Send it to the FSF's gpl enforcement team. > > I'm lost. Why are we arguing and going to "en

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-05-10 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 05:25:02PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > 3) Would anyone be willing to help with souch a complaint? > Send it to the FSF's gpl enforcement team. I'm lost. Why are we arguing and going to "enforcement teams" instead of just offering to host the Knoppix source on s

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-05-08 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Sam Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 1) My interpretation of the GPL is correct, isn't it? I'm fairly certain on > this one. Yes. > 2) Am I being excessively unreasonable to complain to the authors >about this GPL violation if it is actually getting in my way and >making my life i

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-29 Thread Klaus Knopper
Hello everyone, I think it is time for me to unsubscribe from this list, since the discussion went into personal interpretations/opinions/beliefs about the "right" way to interpret the GPL, rather than bringing new insights. As a summary, I hope the fact has been made clear that a written (and, w

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-29 Thread Alessandro Rubini
Klaus Knopper: >> Is nobody gettng tired of this topic? I thought we already cleared >> things up. The written offer is present on each CD, which complies >> to the GPL. I have an email from Dave Turner from the FSF stating >> that Knoppix IS in compliance with the GPL. Is there anything more >> t

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-29 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 12:41:56AM +0200, Klaus Knopper wrote: > On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 01:37:15PM -0700, Walter Landry wrote: > > Klaus Knopper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 11:30:43AM -0700, Walter Landry wrote: > > > > > Technically, I'm not even actively distributing

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-28 Thread Walter Landry
Klaus Knopper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 01:37:15PM -0700, Walter Landry wrote: > > Klaus Knopper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 11:30:43AM -0700, Walter Landry wrote: > > > > > Technically, I'm not even actively distributing any software at any

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-28 Thread Klaus Knopper
On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 01:37:15PM -0700, Walter Landry wrote: > Klaus Knopper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 11:30:43AM -0700, Walter Landry wrote: > > > > Technically, I'm not even actively distributing any software at any > > > > time. > > > > The mirrors are downloading

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-28 Thread Walter Landry
Klaus Knopper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 11:30:43AM -0700, Walter Landry wrote: > > > Technically, I'm not even actively distributing any software at any time. > > > The mirrors are downloading and distributing it without any action > > > initiated by me. Or magazines publ

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-28 Thread Klaus Knopper
On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 11:30:43AM -0700, Walter Landry wrote: > > Technically, I'm not even actively distributing any software at any time. > > The mirrors are downloading and distributing it without any action > > initiated by me. Or magazines publish Knoppix, in some cases even > > without askin

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-28 Thread Walter Landry
Klaus Knopper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 03:56:49PM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > > > > > > date of this CD-Rom." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this good enough? Shouldn't it be date of distribution? > > > > > > > > > > So, where ca

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 06:48:36AM +0200, Klaus Knopper wrote: > On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 08:59:45PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > > > > > For those who would prefer paragraph a), please consider the fact that > > > a CD that consists 3/4 of only source code may not be a very popular > > > t

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-28 Thread Klaus Knopper
On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 03:56:49PM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > > > > > date of this CD-Rom." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this good enough? Shouldn't it be date of distribution? > > > > > > > > So, where can I get the sources of emacs version 1.0? > > > > > >

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-28 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Klaus Knopper wrote: > On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 07:09:45AM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Klaus Knopper wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 06:18:59AM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Klaus Knopper wrote: > > > > > > > >

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-28 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20030428T152631+0200, Klaus Knopper wrote: > technically, if you demand that they keep obsolete sources for 3 years > or longer, there would be no mirror left willing to keep old software > that long. The three-year requirement does not apply if sources are distributed along the binaries (offer

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-28 Thread Klaus Knopper
On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 07:09:45AM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: > On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Klaus Knopper wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 06:18:59AM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Klaus Knopper wrote: > > > > > > > "Since this is a genuine open source project, subject t

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-28 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Klaus Knopper wrote: > On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 06:18:59AM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Klaus Knopper wrote: > > > > > "Since this is a genuine open source project, subject to the GNU General > > > Public License, the source code for the KNOPPIX-spec

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-28 Thread Klaus Knopper
On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 06:18:59AM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: > On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Klaus Knopper wrote: > > > "Since this is a genuine open source project, subject to the GNU General > > Public License, the source code for the KNOPPIX-specific packages is > > available via the Internet at h

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-28 Thread Klaus Knopper
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 08:59:45PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > > > For those who would prefer paragraph a), please consider the fact that > > a CD that consists 3/4 of only source code may not be a very popular > > thing for the majority of potential users, and also CD-magazines and > > F

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Klaus Knopper wrote: > "Since this is a genuine open source project, subject to the GNU General > Public License, the source code for the KNOPPIX-specific packages is > available via the Internet at http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/sources/. > You may find the sources for the

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > For those who would prefer paragraph a), please consider the fact that > a CD that consists 3/4 of only source code may not be a very popular > thing for the majority of potential users, and also CD-magazines and > FTP mirrors try to avoid stuff that is not likely to EVER being used > or downlo

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Klaus Knopper
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 07:40:58PM -0500, Darryl Palmer wrote: > 3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under > Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections > 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following: > > a) Accompany it w

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Klaus Knopper
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 05:54:15PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > "Oliver" == Oliver M Bolzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Oliver> On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 01:39:32AM -0400, Sam Hartman > Oliver> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote... > >> I believe that the Knoppix CD is violating the GPL

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Darryl Palmer wrote: > Looking at the GPL it has this statement: > > 3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under > Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections > 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the follow

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 07:40:58PM -0500, Darryl Palmer wrote: > 3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under > Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections > 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following: > a) Accompany it wit

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 07:40:58PM -0500, Darryl Palmer wrote: > c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to > distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only > for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in

RE: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Darryl Palmer
Looking at the GPL it has this statement: 3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following: a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Oliver" == Oliver M Bolzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Oliver> On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 01:39:32AM -0400, Sam Hartman Oliver> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote... >> I believe that the Knoppix CD is violating the GPL by not >> distributing source code to GPL packages that they distr

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20030427T095714+0200, Oliver M. Bolzer wrote: > To my knowledge Klaus Knopper has repeatedly stated that he would send > the source to anyone if they sent him the needed number of blank CD-Rs. > IMHO that's a reasonable way to distribute source, though slightly > inconvenient. The blank CD-Rs w

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Oliver M. Bolzer
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 01:39:32AM -0400, Sam Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote... > > I believe that the Knoppix CD is violating the GPL by not distributing > source code to GPL packages that they distribute. In particular, I looked > at http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html#license and