Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [You didn't honor my M-F-T so I guess this will continue to go to both > lists.] Indeed. > On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 12:29:29PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: >> The version in /usr/share/common-licenses/BSD is very specifically the >> UCB version, > A m

Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-07 Thread Branden Robinson
[You didn't honor my M-F-T so I guess this will continue to go to both lists.] On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 12:29:29PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I believe your reasoning is faulty, because it is based on incomplete > > information. There was more

Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I believe your reasoning is faulty, because it is based on incomplete > information. There was more than one "BSD" license in use well before > USB's Office of Technology Licensing withdrew the 4-clause version. [snip] While this is very interestin

Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 10:27:55PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hm, I could have sworn that the DFSG predated the Constitution and hence > predated the existence of the three-clause BSD license. UCB dropped the > advertising clause in July of 1999 and the D

Re: Copyright question

2008-02-06 Thread Ben Finney
"brian m. carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [Please follow up to -legal only. Done. > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 04:30:01PM +0100, Jean Parpaillon wrote: > >Hi, > >I intend to package HPL benchmarks. Copyright file contains the > >following statements: > >-- > > 1. Redistri

Re: Copyright question

2008-02-06 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:36:44 +0100 Bas Wijnen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 05:46:31PM +0100, Stefan Potyra wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Am Mittwoch, 6. Februar 2008 16:30 schrieb Jean Parpaillon: > > > Hi, > > > I intend to package HPL benchmarks. Copyright file contains the > > > following statemen

Re: Copyright question

2008-02-06 Thread Bas Wijnen
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 05:46:31PM +0100, Stefan Potyra wrote: > Hi, > > Am Mittwoch, 6. Februar 2008 16:30 schrieb Jean Parpaillon: > > Hi, > > I intend to package HPL benchmarks. Copyright file contains the > > following statements: > > -- > > 1. Redistributions of source

Re: Copyright question

2008-02-06 Thread brian m. carlson
[Please follow up to -legal only. Full quote for the benefit of -legal.] On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 04:30:01PM +0100, Jean Parpaillon wrote: Hi, I intend to package HPL benchmarks. Copyright file contains the following statements: -- 1. Redistributions of source code must r

Re: Copyright Question

2004-12-13 Thread Florian Weimer
* mike skaggs: > I have a copyright question for you. To the extent my company wants > to use the Debian Linux O/S as an embedded O/S in a device, can you > please advise what copyright notice I should cite to? I understand > I must include the GPL language but after reading your policy > manual

Re: Copyright Question

2004-12-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 11:52:36PM +, Rich Walker wrote: > Shouldn't the license be part of the dpkg -s output? > > At present, anyone wanting to select packages based on their license > status has "DFSG-free"/"DFSG-non-free" as the selection criteria. > > This seems limiting. We don't have

Re: Copyright Question

2004-12-11 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 11:52:36PM +, Rich Walker wrote: > Brian Thomas Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >> That seems a bit harsh; I think sarge would be quite usable for this > >> purpose, as long as you avoid GFDLed bits. Is there a

Re: Copyright Question

2004-12-10 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:52:36 + Rich Walker wrote: > Would it make sense to add a License: field to the status information > available to dpkg? IMHO, no. Because the Freeness status of a package is far more complex than a single license name. Many times you have works under different licenses

Re: Copyright Question

2004-12-10 Thread Rich Walker
Brian Thomas Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> That seems a bit harsh; I think sarge would be quite usable for this >> purpose, as long as you avoid GFDLed bits. Is there anything GFDLed in >> Debian that isn't in /usr/share/{doc,info,man} ? > >

Re: Copyright Question

2004-12-10 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That's true, but it seems pretty unlikely that an embedded system would > have any documentation installed. Lots of embedded systems would like to be able to use the Debian packages more or less whole -- and then remove things like /usr/share/doc if the

Re: Copyright Question

2004-12-10 Thread Josh Triplett
Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 11:47:34AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: >>Note that since you are creating an embedded system, the size of all >>these files may be an issue. I believe you could legally supply them >>separately as long as they are supplied in the same distribution >

Re: Copyright Question

2004-12-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 11:47:34AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > Note that since you are creating an embedded system, the size of all > these files may be an issue. I believe you could legally supply them > separately as long as they are supplied in the same distribution As long as we have stuff

Re: Copyright Question

2004-12-08 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 04:00:03PM -0500, Christopher Priest wrote: > http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html I'd see any action going the > way of discussions first and then correction. If it actually went to court, > I'd expect a claim for statutory damages as there are no real damages. Si

Re: Copyright Question

2004-12-08 Thread Christopher Priest
"Brian Thomas Sniffen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wites > "Christopher Priest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Why should anyone but the source be "required" to keep or distribute source > > code when it is freely available from Debian. The web was not > > available when > > Debian may not be around fo

Re: Copyright Question

2004-12-07 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi Chris > > Very pragmatic reasoning. I wondered the same thing. From a > practical standpoint, why would someone ask us for source code (ie, > order it, pay for replication costs, then wait for it to be shipped) Not everybody who will get ahold of your product ha

Re: Copyright Question

2004-12-07 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
"Christopher Priest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Why should anyone but the source be "required" to keep or distribute source > code when it is freely available from Debian. The web was not > available when Debian may not be around forever. Many embedded devlopers don't publicize which distribu

Re: Copyright Question

2004-12-07 Thread David Schmitt
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 11:47:34AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > (Please note that I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. The > authoritative source for this information would be the actual licenses > for the packages you include.) [snip] Excellent text. Could someone put this on www.d

RE: Copyright Question

2004-12-07 Thread mike_skaggs
-legal@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Copyright Question Wouldn't a typical install of Debian also properly install all the licenses required? Do the Debian install scripts break the licenses of the component software? Disk space is so cheap I can't see any developer spending time to remov

Re: Copyright Question

2004-12-07 Thread Christopher Priest
Wouldn't a typical install of Debian also properly install all the licenses required? Do the Debian install scripts break the licenses of the component software? Disk space is so cheap I can't see any developer spending time to remove anything put in by an install. Why would he have to do more tha

Re: Copyright Question

2004-12-07 Thread Josh Triplett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have a copyright question for you. To the extent my company wants > to use the Debian Linux O/S as an embedded O/S in a device, can you > please advise what copyright notice I should cite to? I understand I > must include the GPL language but after reading your policy

Re: copyright question

2001-03-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) > > Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) > > > > > Unfortunately, it lacks permission to distribute modified copies > > > > "... and to a

Re: copyright question

2001-03-30 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) > Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) > > > Unfortunately, it lacks permission to distribute modified copies > > "... and to alter it and distribute it freely"? > While all logic and r

Re: copyright question

2001-03-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) > > > Unfortunately, it lacks permission to distribute modified copies > > "... and to alter it and distribute it freely"? While all logic and reason might say that is good enough, it at least one no

Re: copyright question

2001-03-29 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) > Unfortunately, it lacks permission to distribute modified copies "... and to alter it and distribute it freely"? -- Henning Makholm "Hele toget raslede imens Sjælland fór forbi."

Re: copyright question

2001-03-29 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Jörgen Hägg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Is this ok for Debian? Yes. -- Henning Makholm"De er da bare dumme. Det skal du bare sige til dem."

Re: copyright question

2001-03-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Jörgen Hägg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This copyright notice seems free enough, as I can see they > don't want any responsibility but do want credit for their work. > Fair enough I think. :-) > > Is this ok for Debian? Unfortunately, it lacks permission to distribute modified copies (which tu

Re: copyright question

2001-03-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:50:41PM +0200, Jörgen Hägg wrote: > This copyright notice seems free enough, as I can see they > don't want any responsibility but do want credit for their work. > Fair enough I think. :-) > > Is this ok for Debian? Looks good to me. It's in the general MIT/BSD family

W30 DTD licensing (Re: copyright question concerning published DTDs)

1999-03-27 Thread Adam Di Carlo
[Note: I am CC'ing the debian-legal mailing list, which is concerned with the process of evaulating licenses to determine whether we can consider them "free" and include them in the distribution.] > "jrj" == Joseph M Reagle Jr (W3C) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: jrj> We are going to have to put

W30 DTD licensing (Re: copyright question concerning published DTDs)

1999-03-27 Thread Adam Di Carlo
I raised an issue with the W3O regarding DTD licensing. I'm including here my previous correspondance. I have another followup in my next message from the W30 and my response. -- .Adam Di [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.onShore.com/> --- Begin Message --- Hello. I have the responsibility of a