Re: Mozilla and Trademarks

2005-01-02 Thread Eric Dorland
* Gervase Markham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Alexander Sack wrote: > >I suggest that we make a standard policy that works for all and not for > >debian only. Otherwise, I feel that there are problems with dfsg, since > >we cannot grant the same rights to our users, that you granted us. But, >

Re: Mozilla and Trademarks

2005-01-02 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 07:49:15PM +, Gervase Markham wrote: > Joel Aelwyn wrote: > > > First, having such a trademark license establishes the Mozilla project > > as an arbiter of package quality for a Debian package. > > Indeed. With all the caveats that you state, then yes, when it comes >

Re: Mozilla and Trademarks

2005-01-01 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Is DFSG 8 actually a problem here? > "The rights attached to the program must not depend on the program's > being part of a Debian system. If the program is extracted from Debian > and used or distributed without Debian but otherwise within the terms

Re: Mozilla and Trademarks

2005-01-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 07:49:15PM +, Gervase Markham wrote: > Again, a fair point. Although the impact of this event is arguably less > than the same issue with a code licence. After all, if the code licensor > (e.g. UWash) goes bad on you, that's the end of the package. Only for non-free l

Re: Mozilla and Trademarks

2005-01-01 Thread Gervase Markham
Joel Aelwyn wrote: > First, having such a trademark license establishes the Mozilla project > as an arbiter of package quality for a Debian package. Indeed. With all the caveats that you state, then yes, when it comes down to it, it does. It has to, in order for us to claim that we're maintain

Re: Mozilla and Trademarks

2005-01-01 Thread Joel Aelwyn
I'm going to reply, in some sense, to Gervase Markham's message, but it is in more of a general vein, rather than a point by point discussion. Still my thoughts on the same basic topics, though. While I appreciate Mr. Markham's efforts, and in fact I don't disagree with what I believe are his view

Re: Mozilla and Trademarks

2005-01-01 Thread Gervase Markham
Alexander Sack wrote: I suggest that we make a standard policy that works for all and not for debian only. Otherwise, I feel that there are problems with dfsg, since we cannot grant the same rights to our users, that you granted us. But, here I might be wrong and maybe others want to elaborate

Re: Mozilla and Trademarks

2005-01-01 Thread Alexander Sack
Hi Gerv, I wish you a happy new year. I was just composing a mail that would get you involved in this discussion, but apparently you came on your own ;). Fine. In addition I added Eric (the firefox maintainer) to CC since he is not subscribed to -legal. Gervase Markham wrote: I have to say

Mozilla and Trademarks

2005-01-01 Thread Gervase Markham
The recent thread about Mozilla and trademarks on debian-legal has been drawn to my attention. For those who don't know me, I'm Gerv, and I'm currently the first point of contact for trademark and copyright licensing issues at Mozilla. I have to say that Alex's origi