Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Mike Goldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 4. COMMERCIAL DISTRIBUTION
> Frankly, I don't understand the full effects of this clause of the
> license.
As far as I understand it, it is simply a convoluted version of
"If you like, you may offer warranty
The "Commercial Contributions" section is intended to protect contributors
(including IBM) from other contributors doing something that gets them
sued. For example, contributor A sells software _with_a_warranty_. The
software fails, causing damage to life and property. Customer sues contributor
A _
I think where we left the discussion was that it was DFSG-compliant but
not GPL-compatible.
If you have real problems with this license, please get back to me. I worked
with the IBM folks on this version and can bring you their concerns if
necessary.
Thanks
Bruce
Mike Goldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
4. COMMERCIAL DISTRIBUTION
Frankly, I don't understand the full effects of this clause of the
license. Other than that, it looks like a pretty good license to me,
and unless I missed something as I was skimming through it, it's also
DFSG compliant.
As many of you know, Jikes has now been released under the new
IBM Public License Version 1.0. I have seen this new license discussed
on Debian-Legal in recent weeks, but the end decision seemed to me
inconclusive on whether or not this qualified as DFSG-free.
The subject is no longer merely acad
Bruce Perens wrote:
> After a day of study, it appears that while the draft IBM Jikes license
> I approved is Open Source, the released license, which I was not given
> a chance to vet, is not in my opinion an Open Source license. I'm
> reporting this to the Open Source initiati
After a day of study, it appears that while the draft IBM Jikes license
I approved is Open Source, the released license, which I was not given
a chance to vet, is not in my opinion an Open Source license. I'm
reporting this to the Open Source initiative board for them to make an
official fi
> Perhaps Debian should have a patent policy document that is distinct from
> the DFSG.
Agreed. Or perhaps Debian folks should staff the LPF and the EFF, which
both need some new energy as far as I can tell. I met Barlow a while back,
he seems to have the right ideas, but not enough time/energy to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What if IBM had left the patent clauses out entirely? Would we not
> then be saying that the license was clearly DFSG free? Yet such a
> license would grant *fewer* rights than does this one.
In general, it's not possible to know about what patents co
Raul Miller writes:
> However, this whole situation does indicate that "openness" or
> "freedom" exist on a spectrum, and aren't black and white issues.
What if IBM had left the patent clauses out entirely? Would we not then be
saying that the license was clearly DFSG free? Yet such a license wo
> The language in that clause is practically undecipherable. Their
> lawyer didn't strive for readability.
That's fair. I'm going by the language in the paragraph before that one
when I distinguish that paragraph being about patents from the previous
one being about copyright.
> If the software
Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can I see it, please?
The most recent draft is at
http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-devel-9811/msg02391.html
--
Raul
From: Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> For better or worse, we have a proposed re-write of the DFSG being
> considered (and it's been being worked on for quite a while).
Can I see it, please?
> This rewrite would indicate that software is not DFSG if the copyright
> holder is also the patent hol
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Perens) writes:
> Eric said you were curious about the IBM Jikes license.
>
> Reports that Eric "blessed" the license are not accurate. I did "bless" an
> early draft, about 5 drafts ago. I am still looking at the current
> (release
Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sengan, myself, and a few others have been working on this for months.
> There are some people at IBM who are really into making _more_ software
> Open Source. Please be nice to them.
For better or worse, we have a proposed re-write of the DFSG being
consi
Eric said you were curious about the IBM Jikes license.
Reports that Eric "blessed" the license are not accurate. I did "bless" an
early draft, about 5 drafts ago. I am still looking at the current
(released) version and will discuss it with the OSD board, and then we w
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