Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 09:57:07AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Hi everybody, thanks a lot to Francesco for getting me back into the > loop and for providing some additional useful feedback. To keep you posted on this issue: I've forwarded a request for advice to the SPI board. My suggestion

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 07:54:03PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: > > Thanks Joss for the Cc, as I'm not subscribed to -legal (so please > > keep the Cc on replies). > Done. Hi everybody, thanks a lot to Francesco for getting me back into the loop and for providing some additional useful feedback.

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 05:24:05PM -0600, Michael Cassano wrote: > I didn't get the exact parameters needed to obtain Debian's logo, but I did > show that they are not default. But you didn't show they aren't trivial to unpurposefully reproduce. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-re

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

I didn't get the exact parameters needed to obtain Debian's logo, but I did show that they are not default. Mike On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 02:50:04PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:36:44AM +0100, Alessandro Rubini w

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 02:50:04PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:36:44AM +0100, Alessandro Rubini wrote: > > > FYI - A computer shop has taken the Debian logo and used it for his > > > business. > > > > http://imgur.com/gFKfs.jpg > > > Thank you for making this jpeg, i

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:36:44AM +0100, Alessandro Rubini wrote: > > FYI - A computer shop has taken the Debian logo and used it for his > > business. > > http://imgur.com/gFKfs.jpg > Thank you for making this jpeg, it's very clear. > > [...] > > "The comapny Logo was created by photoshop and

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:47:23 +0100 Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: [...] > Thanks Joss for the Cc, as I'm not subscribed to -legal (so please keep > the Cc on replies). Done. > > I've read the thread and I do have some questions for the list. As far > as I can tell, there is no *trademark* violation

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 10:40:55AM -0600, Michael Cassano wrote: > Correct, I swirled it too much, that is my point. > > What are the odds that the blue logo in question swirled their logo > pixel-for-pixel the same as Debian's? I believe the odds are low given the > couple minutes of work I put

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

Le mercredi 01 décembre 2010 à 17:30 +0100, Mike Hommey a écrit : > > There is no question in my mind that the blue logo under debate is a copy of > > the Debian logo, followed by a color change. There are too many degrees of > > freedom (beginning of the swirl path, brush thickness, etc). > > Yo

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

Correct, I swirled it too much, that is my point. What are the odds that the blue logo in question swirled their logo pixel-for-pixel the same as Debian's? I believe the odds are low given the couple minutes of work I put into using the tool (Illustrator). Mike On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:30 AM,

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 10:24:34AM -0600, Michael Cassano wrote: > The message from 2005 seems to indicate it was produced using Illustrator, > not Photoshop. > > Attached is an image I just created using Illustrator 14.0.0, my goal was to > recreate the Debian logo. I used the 'rough charcoal' b

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

The message from 2005 seems to indicate it was produced using Illustrator, not Photoshop. Attached is an image I just created using Illustrator 14.0.0, my goal was to recreate the Debian logo. I used the 'rough charcoal' brush with the swirl tool. I didn't create the original Debian logo but it

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Alessandro Rubini wrote: >> Can it really be "reasonable", in any sense of the word, to >> believe that this company would independently invent an identical >> logo, pixel for pixel, changing only the hue. > > No, not reasonable. Unless both copied from the same swi

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

> Can it really be "reasonable", in any sense of the word, to > believe that this company would independently invent an identical > logo, pixel for pixel, changing only the hue. No, not reasonable. Unless both copied from the same swirl. Which seems reasonable. See http://lists.debian.or

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

>> But copyright doesn't apply to independent invention, which he claims this >> is, and which seems fairly reasonable.  If he independently invented it we >> only have a trademark claim; if we don't have a trademark claim we have >> none Have you actually looked at it? It's not similar. It's iden

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

Hi, Le 30/11/10 23:46, Ken Arromdee a écrit : > But copyright doesn't apply to independent invention, which he claims this > is, and which seems fairly reasonable. If he independently invented it we > only have a trademark claim; if we don't have a trademark claim we have > none. IANAL, but as f

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

On Tue, 30 Nov 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: As far as I can tell (IANAL, and before contacting SPI lawyer) what we should ask Legend PC is then to come into compliance of the license, by mentioning copyright and permission notices. But copyright doesn't apply to independent invention, which

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

Hi, Josselin Mouette a écrit : > A trademark is a trademark. If we don’t enforce it, we lose it. Absolutly but I believe that the swirl is not include in the Debian's trademark. So, currently, the blue swirl could only be a copyright violation. Bye, -- Arnaud Fouquaut

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 02:40:25PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Stefano just mentioned that it would be better to CC him if we want > something to be done to do something. So here we go. Thanks Joss for the Cc, as I'm not subscribed to -legal (so please keep the Cc on replies). I've read the

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

Hi! * Josselin Mouette [2010-11-29 11:23:28 CET]: > Le dimanche 28 novembre 2010 à 10:36 +0100, Alessandro Rubini a écrit : > > Unfortunately, they may be right and in good faith. > > This message confirms the swirl is just one of the defaults: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 11:23 +0100, Josselin Mouette a écrit : > Le dimanche 28 novembre 2010 à 10:36 +0100, Alessandro Rubini a écrit : > > > http://imgur.com/gFKfs.jpg > > > > Thank you for making this jpeg, it's very clear. > > > > > [...] > > > "The comapny Logo was created by photoshop

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

Paul Wise wrote: >On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Ben Finney wrote: >> Alessandro Rubini writes: >>> This message confirms the swirl is just one of the defaults: >>>       http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/06/msg00340.html >>> >>> [which, may I say, was quite a naive choice for such a

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

Le dimanche 28 novembre 2010 à 10:36 +0100, Alessandro Rubini a écrit : > > http://imgur.com/gFKfs.jpg > > Thank you for making this jpeg, it's very clear. > > > [...] > > "The comapny Logo was created by photoshop and Logo software, we desgined it > > from the stretch. if you have somethins to s

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

Paul Wise writes: > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Ben Finney > wrote: > > But it's a burden to be borne now. > > I don't really agree, we can have another logo competition. These days > we have several artists involved with Debian so we might get a great > logo. I agree with the latter; the

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Ben Finney wrote: > Alessandro Rubini writes: >> This message confirms the swirl is just one of the defaults: >>       http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/06/msg00340.html >> >> [which, may I say, was quite a naive choice for such an important >> distro] > >

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

Alessandro Rubini writes: > > [...] "The comapny Logo was created by photoshop and Logo software, > > we desgined it from the stretch. if you have somethins to say, give > > us a call." > > Unfortunately, they may be right and in good faith. Right. But that may not matter, since (unlike copyrigh

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 22:01:33 +1300 Sam McLeod wrote: > FYI - A computer shop has taken the Debian logo and used it for his > business. > Nowhere does the business mention Debian and when I sent the owner an email > informing him of the misuse and linking him to debian.org/logos - he claimed > he c

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

Thanks for pointing this out. I guess this one is case closed! Sam. On 28 November 2010 22:36, Alessandro Rubini wrote: > > FYI - A computer shop has taken the Debian logo and used it for his > > business. > > > http://imgur.com/gFKfs.jpg > > Thank you for making this jpeg, it's very clear. >

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

Sam McLeod writes: > FYI - A computer shop has taken the Debian logo and used it for his > business. > Nowhere does the business mention Debian and when I sent the owner an email > informing him of the misuse and linking him to debian.org/logos - he claimed > he created the logo from scratch: > (P

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

> FYI - A computer shop has taken the Debian logo and used it for his > business. > http://imgur.com/gFKfs.jpg Thank you for making this jpeg, it's very clear. > [...] > "The comapny Logo was created by photoshop and Logo software, we desgined it > from the stretch. if you have somethins to say,

Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

FYI - A computer shop has taken the Debian logo and used it for his business. Nowhere does the business mention Debian and when I sent the owner an email informing him of the misuse and linking him to debian.org/logos - he claimed he created the logo from scratch: (Please excuse his bad English, bu