Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-09-09 Thread Andreas Barth
* Roberto Gordo Saez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060909 11:22]: > But there is something I do not understand. Why "this list" is not the > place to put disagreements on the way legal issues are handled? There is nothing wrong with discussing legal issues in debian-legal, try to get a common understanding

Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-09-09 Thread Roberto Gordo Saez
On 9/5/06, Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * Markus Laire ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060830 15:01]: > This problem was mentioned in this list on _2004_ but cdrtools still > hasn't been removed from Debian (see [2]). IMHO "hypocrisy" is perfect > word to describe such behaviour. "This list" is

Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-09-05 Thread Andreas Barth
* Markus Laire ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060830 15:01]: > I have somewhat similar feelings after I found out that the > "cdrtools"-package[1] included in Debian isn't DFSG-free, but is still > included in main. > > (Even worse, its license might even be illegal because it's GPLv2 + > incombatible restr

Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-08-31 Thread Markus Laire
On 8/31/06, Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This one time, at band camp, Markus Laire said: > So they've been doing this for 2 years, and have included > non-DFSG-free cdrtools in main while doing so? They even shipped Sarge > with this known non-DFSG-free package in main? > > IMHO cdrtoo

Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-08-31 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Markus Laire said: > On 8/31/06, Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Markus Laire writes: > >>I used to believe that Debian only included legal, DFSG-free software > >>in main, but "cdrtools" fiasco seems to prove that I was wrong. > > > >Ever since the issue i

Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-08-31 Thread Steve McIntyre
Markus Laire writes: >On 8/31/06, Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> In the end, those same maintainers >> have given up on that as a lost cause and instead have started work on >> a free cdrtools fork that will ship in etch instead of cdrtools. > >Do you have any link/source to support

Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-08-31 Thread Markus Laire
On 8/31/06, Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Markus Laire writes: >I have somewhat similar feelings after I found out that the >"cdrtools"-package[1] included in Debian isn't DFSG-free, but is still >included in main. > >(Even worse, its license might even be illegal because it's GPLv2 +

Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-08-31 Thread Steve McIntyre
Markus Laire writes: >On 8/30/06, Roberto Gordo Saez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If this is the common feeling here, I think I made a serious mistake >> choosing Debian, because it does not follow my definition of freedom. >> I would like to urge to change the Social Contract to be clarified >> t

Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-08-30 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Markus Laire wrote: > On 8/30/06, Roberto Gordo Saez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If this is the common feeling here, I think I made a serious mistake >> choosing Debian, because it does not follow my definition of freedom. >> I would like to urge to change the Social Contract to be clarified >>

Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-08-30 Thread Markus Laire
On 8/30/06, Roberto Gordo Saez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If this is the common feeling here, I think I made a serious mistake choosing Debian, because it does not follow my definition of freedom. I would like to urge to change the Social Contract to be clarified this in this case. I'm serious ab