Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-06 Thread David Nusinow
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 10:05:39AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > p.s. Anyone reading this thread via MJ Ray's blog might want to note that > > the mkcfm license issue doesn't affect the X server package so much as > > xfonts-utils. > > Thanks. I'll correct that. >

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-06 Thread MJ Ray
David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > p.s. Anyone reading this thread via MJ Ray's blog might want to note that > the mkcfm license issue doesn't affect the X server package so much as > xfonts-utils. Thanks. I'll correct that. Often it's not clear to me which package is being discussed, so I some

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 05 juin 2006 à 11:16 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > The controls apply *in the US*. That means that, for anyone in the US, this > license imposes extralegal penalties for engaging in civil disobedience in > contravention of US embargo laws. Regardless of whether you have any > intenti

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 06 juin 2006 à 00:30 +0200, Henning Makholm a écrit : > > US laws make strictly *no sense* when you're living in another > > country. You are not going to respect laws and regulations from > > *all* countries in the world, are you? > > Probably not, which means that I cannot accept to be

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread David Nusinow
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 08:58:18PM +0200, Adeodato Sim?? wrote: > [Please CC on replies, M-F-T set accordingly.] > > Hello, > > I'd like an opinion about the DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public > License", included below. A utility normally shipped with X11, mkcfm, > was recently removed b

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The controls apply *in the US*. That means that, for anyone in the US, this > license imposes extralegal penalties for engaging in civil disobedience in > contravention of US embargo laws. Regardless of whether you have any > intention of risking the

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Le dimanche 04 juin 2006 à 13:13 +0200, Henning Makholm a écrit : >> >> > 6. Compliance with Laws; Non-Infringement. Recipient shall comply with >> >> > all applicable laws and regulations in connection with use and >> >> > distribution of the Subjec

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread Matthew Garrett
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The controls apply *in the US*. That means that, for anyone in the US, this > license imposes extralegal penalties for engaging in civil disobedience in > contravention of US embargo laws. Regardless of whether you have any > intention of risking the *

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 02:27:38PM +0300, George Danchev wrote: > 6. Compliance with Laws; Non-Infringement. Recipient shall comply with all > applicable laws and regulations in connection with use and distribution of > the Subject Software, including but not limited to, all export and import > con

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread George Danchev
On Monday 05 June 2006 19:33, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le dimanche 04 juin 2006 à 13:13 +0200, Henning Makholm a écrit : > > >> > 6. Compliance with Laws; Non-Infringement. Recipient shall comply > > >> > with all applicable laws and regulations in connection with use and > > >> > distribution of

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 04 juin 2006 à 13:13 +0200, Henning Makholm a écrit : > >> > 6. Compliance with Laws; Non-Infringement. Recipient shall comply with > >> > all applicable laws and regulations in connection with use and > >> > distribution of the Subject Software, including but not limited to, > >> > all

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit "Andrew Donnellan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 6/4/06, Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Scripsit Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Le vendredi 02 juin 2006 à 16:44 +0200, Francesco Poli a écrit : >> >> > 6. Compliance with Laws; Non-Infringement. Recipient shall comply w

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread Jacobo Tarrio
El lunes, 5 de junio de 2006 a las 15:39:01 +0200, Jacobo Tarrio escribía: > > Yes, exactly. This means that the sentence boils down to roughly, > > 'you have to not break the law for your jurisdiction'. Well, that's > > hardly non-free. > Another[0] piece of hideous pseudopoetry: Sorry. W

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread Jacobo Tarrio
El lunes, 5 de junio de 2006 a las 13:14:49 +0100, Stephen Gran escribía: > that don't follow the Sharia, you would be forced to? Do you think a > license can ever force you to follow laws that have no jurisdiction? After seeing licenses that claim not to be affected by any laws that would mak

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread George Danchev
On Monday 05 June 2006 15:14, Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, George Danchev said: > > On Monday 05 June 2006 13:28, Stephen Gran wrote: > > > This one time, at band camp, Jacobo Tarrio said: > > > > El lunes, 5 de junio de 2006 a las 19:39:46 +1000, Andrew Donnellan > > > > esc

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, George Danchev said: > On Monday 05 June 2006 13:28, Stephen Gran wrote: > > This one time, at band camp, Jacobo Tarrio said: > > > El lunes, 5 de junio de 2006 a las 19:39:46 +1000, Andrew Donnellan > escribía: > > > > But it doesn't say that - it says applicable law

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread George Danchev
On Monday 05 June 2006 13:28, Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Jacobo Tarrio said: > > El lunes, 5 de junio de 2006 a las 19:39:46 +1000, Andrew Donnellan escribía: > > > But it doesn't say that - it says applicable laws, if that includes US > > > export laws then there's nothin

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Jacobo Tarrio said: > El lunes, 5 de junio de 2006 a las 19:39:46 +1000, Andrew Donnellan escribía: > > > But it doesn't say that - it says applicable laws, if that includes US > > export laws then there's nothing you can do about it because it would > > apply to you

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread Jacobo Tarrio
El lunes, 5 de junio de 2006 a las 19:39:46 +1000, Andrew Donnellan escribía: > But it doesn't say that - it says applicable laws, if that includes US > export laws then there's nothing you can do about it because it would > apply to you in any case. It says applicable laws, including US export

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 6/5/06, George Danchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > U.S. export laws aren't applicable anywhere else. It says including as > part of applicable, I don't see it as non-free. There are jurisdictions (either being exotic or not) which respect others jurisdictions laws by means of mutual agreemen

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread George Danchev
On Monday 05 June 2006 11:26, Andrew Donnellan wrote: -cut-- > > It says specifically that U.S. export and import control laws are > > axiomatically part of the laws one has to respect. Demanding that is a > > non-free condition. > > ***all applicable laws and regulations*** > > U.S. export laws ar

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-05 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 6/4/06, Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Scripsit Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Le vendredi 02 juin 2006 à 16:44 +0200, Francesco Poli a écrit : >> > 6. Compliance with Laws; Non-Infringement. Recipient shall comply with >> > all applicable laws and regulations in connectio

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-04 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Le vendredi 02 juin 2006 à 16:44 +0200, Francesco Poli a écrit : >> > 6. Compliance with Laws; Non-Infringement. Recipient shall comply with >> > all applicable laws and regulations in connection with use and >> > distribution of the Subject Software

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 02 juin 2006 à 16:44 +0200, Francesco Poli a écrit : > > 6. Compliance with Laws; Non-Infringement. Recipient shall comply with > > all applicable laws and regulations in connection with use and > > distribution of the Subject Software, including but not limited to, > > all export and i

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-02 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 31 May 2006 20:58:18 +0200 Adeodato Simó wrote: [...] > 2. License Terms. [...] > (iii) Recipient hereby indemnifies SGI for any liability > incurred by SGI as a result of the distri- bution of Accompanying > Technology or the use of other license terms. Danger: indemnification clause. I'

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-02 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 05:52:22 -0400 Nathanael Nerode wrote: > I hate to say it, but I suspect there is a lot of non-free stuff in > 'main', simply because most maintainers do not check their licenses > carefully. Even the best maintainers. I agree: it's sad but (probably) true... :-((( --

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-01 Thread Nathanael Nerode
The CID Font Code Public License is non-free, per the discussion linked to by bug 211765. At the time, Branden couldn't find anything actually under the license. > One can find this utility shipped in Sarge's version of the 'xutils' > package, and the full license included in its debian/copyrigh

Re: DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-06-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 08:58:18PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > [Please CC on replies, M-F-T set accordingly.] > I'd like an opinion about the DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public > License", included below. A utility normally shipped with X11, mkcfm, > was recently removed because the lice

DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public Licence"

2006-05-31 Thread Adeodato Simó
[Please CC on replies, M-F-T set accordingly.] Hello, I'd like an opinion about the DFSG-freeness of the "CID Font Code Public License", included below. A utility normally shipped with X11, mkcfm, was recently removed because the license was regarded non-free; this statement seems to come from Xo