Re: ASP loophole - where is the line

2003-03-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 05:44:29AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 03:48:04PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > > That's sidestepping the issue. Now: In which of Mark's cases should > > Joe be forced to give his program to the upstrem author, Debian, the > > FSF, or the governme

Re: ASP loophole - where is the line

2003-03-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 03:48:04PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Anthony Towns > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 05:08:10PM -0800, Mark Rafn wrote: > > > The challenges: > > > In which cases should Joe be forced to give his program to his customer? > > IMO none of them: distributing software

Re: ASP loophole - where is the line

2003-03-16 Thread Jakob Bohm
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 05:08:10PM -0800, Mark Rafn wrote: > The problem that is fundamental (for me, at least) about the "ASP > loophole" is where to draw the line. I'm currently of the opinion that > distribution is a good line and any other is fuzzy, but I'd kind of like > to be convinced ot

Re: ASP loophole - where is the line

2003-03-16 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Anthony Towns > On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 05:08:10PM -0800, Mark Rafn wrote: > > The challenges: > > In which cases should Joe be forced to give his program to his customer? > IMO none of them: distributing software to customers is too significant > a technical burden over and above prese

Re: ASP loophole - where is the line

2003-03-14 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 05:08:10PM -0800, Mark Rafn wrote: > The challenges: > In which cases should Joe be forced to give his program to his customer? IMO none of them: distributing software to customers is too significant a technical burden over and above presenting the output of software to cus

Re: ASP loophole - where is the line

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 05:08:10PM -0800, Mark Rafn wrote: > Here's the continuum I see: > > a) Joe opens a business "Joe's Typesetting Service". His customer brings > in handrwitten pages, Joe uses GPL software (some of which he's modified > to fit his work patterns) to enter, typeset, and print

ASP loophole - where is the line

2003-03-13 Thread Mark Rafn
The problem that is fundamental (for me, at least) about the "ASP loophole" is where to draw the line. I'm currently of the opinion that distribution is a good line and any other is fuzzy, but I'd kind of like to be convinced otherwise. Here's the continuum I see: a) Joe opens a business "Joe