tructure of a computer
programme may be subject to copyright (in England, and places that may
pay some heed to reasoning in judgements there; e.g, Ibcos .. v Barclays
1994). Copying these can infringe copyright - without /any/ literal
copying, without any explicit referencing.
regards,
--
Paul J
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Ole Streicher wrote:
Paul Jakma writes:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Ole Streicher wrote:
#include
int main(void) { zlog_rotate(); return 0; }
This work is completely based on my own, there is no intellectual
property of someone else in my source code.
Except for the big
is where you're at odds with the solicitors I have had advice from.
Otherwise you must point to a certain code file and prove that it
contains code which is a modified copy of an GPLed file. Which you not
did yet.
I have given examples of files where the legal advice is that they are
deri
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Ole Streicher wrote:
GPLv2, section 2 explicitly allows aggregation:
| In addition, mere aggregation of another work not based on the Progra
How can this apply to a derived work, which is based on the GPL work?
regards,
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Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID
ation detail which no
lawyer I've dealt with seems to think has much bearing on this.
regards,
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Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
But what can you do with it?
-- ubiquitous cry from Linux-user partner
;use", and those modifications are deriving
of the library.
regards,
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Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
E Pluribus Unix
violation.
You're a software engineer.
regards,
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Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
Why are you so hard to ignore?
You can seek your advice on that, and I'll take my own.
I would not consider that a solution, and not helpful or friendly.
regards,
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Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
The truth about a man lies first and foremost in what he hides.
s
to, for their own financial benefit.
regards,
--
Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing.
- Edmund Burke
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Paul Jakma wrote:
No, you can't just take GPL of code mine, libify it and say it's OK
for it be used in proprietary code, without my agreement.
Oh, and even if I myself have already put that GPL code in a library,
it's still not OK for you to say "Y
So... yeah, I dunno. The evidence he supplied wasn't particularly
convincing, but I can see where he's coming from.
Thanks.
regards,
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Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
Excusing bad programming is a shooting offence, no matter
s of this concept are law in many countries around the
world.
regards,
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Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
Interference between the keyboard and the chair.
/ try to re-implement the GPL
portions and get out of their legal mess, I would want to take advice
on. Even if they did so, it would not excuse them from the years of
infringement they have already carried out, which remains ongoing.
regards,
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Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | K
(see Section 2).
I'm not sure why you keep asking about unmodified files. The GPL applies
to more than just any unmodified files. Please clarify.
regards,
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Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
Al didn't smile for forty years. You've got
ways forward repeatedly): Just adding a
header will no longer solve this.
Also, if 3rd parties were to do this, outside of a wider agreement with
copyright holders that would resolve all this, it would likely just
aggravate the situation further.
regards,
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Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org
it is very deliberate, as the FRR people
have repeatedly made clear (and are adamant) that they are not
distributing these files under the GPL.
regards,
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Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
If Nvidia would like to pay me as much as Microsoft is paid for d
On Tue, 19 Mar 2019, Ole Streicher wrote:
Paul Jakma writes:
The people involved in (3) - Linux Foundation, Cumulus Networks,
6WIND, Big Switch Networks, etc. - refuse to acknowledge the legal
reality that the code of (3) is covered by the GPL licence of the code
of (2), and refuse to honour
Correction:
On Tue, 19 Mar 2019, Paul Jakma wrote:
On Tue, 19 Mar 2019, Roberto wrote:
On the other side, if I understood correctly, there are authors who want
to contribute their code under GPL exclusively, and they feel that some of
their changes got included into the bundled libraries
ct the employment of copyright holders of
(2), where those copyright holders objected to what the people of (3)
were doing.
regards,
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Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
The typical page layout program is nothing more than an electronic
light table for cutting and pasting documents.
corporates Martin Winter or
Alistair Woodman or David Lamparter are involved in, etc., publish their
legal advice on this matter.
regards,
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Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
Someone is broadcasting pigmy packets and the router dosn't know how to
deal with them.
r email on trying to separate the code (and if you
google you might find more on that).
regards,
--
Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
I have a better idea: force CONFIG_DEBUG_* if CONFIG_DEVFS_FS had
been set _and_ taint the kernel with new flag -
, presumably, are those where BSD/MIT code has
been imported but /not/ modified and extended such that that code
derives from GPL licensed code.
Which is a different case to this case.
regards,
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Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
Everyone talks about
s issue. That advice is that
the code concerned is deriving of the GPL code.
I will stick with the views of those qualified solicitors, over the view
of a software engineer, at least on legal matters.
regards,
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Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, David Given wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 11:10 Paul Jakma wrote:
[...]
One would need to obtain a licence from all the copyright holders
concerned. According to advice, I am one of those copyright holders. And
that includes having a copyright interest in the code in the
f a GPL licence to other people's
code.
regards,
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Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
Don't hit the keys so hard, it hurts.
ne you linked to).
I am informing debian-legal of that advice, given that Debian appears to
be distributing the infringing work.
regards,
--
Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
Executive ability is deciding quickly and getting somebody else to do
the work.
-- John G. Pollard
pyright law, certainly with respect to work I hold copyright in.
regards,
--
Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
Tuesday After Lunch is the cosmic time of the week.
On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, Paul Jakma wrote:
The code concerned however is explicitly /not/ being distributed under
the terms required by the GPL licence, but rather much weaker licences
(BSD or MIT/X11, e.g.). Licenses which fail to implement the
reciprocal
unlicensed.
I reserve the right to recover damages and compensation, to the greatest
extent allowed by relevant laws, from anyone any unlicensed use or
distribution of code I hold copyright in.
regards,
--
Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
"What
On Tue, 11 Dec 2018, Paul Jakma wrote:
Much easier would be a licence where all you had to show was that the
software was passed on, and that that act on its own was sufficient to
trigger the general source distribution requirement (modulo "desert island",
etc., which pretty obviou
events one from selling GPL source code.
;)
regards,
--
Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
Life is divided into the horrible and the miserable.
-- Woody Allen, "Annie Hall"
On Tue, 11 Dec 2018, Giacomo Tesio wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 13:06, Paul Jakma wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2018, Giacomo Tesio wrote:
Unless there is some really compelling reason the modifier can not make
their changes available (desert island, dissident), why not just require
they make the
On Tue, 11 Dec 2018, Giacomo Tesio wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 12:22, Paul Jakma wrote:
Personally, I want a copyleft for the 'gitlab/github/gogs' era: Source
must be made available, unless you're on a desert island or there is a
credibly physical risk of imprison
how do you know the other supports that
extension and showing it to the user? How do you show the user
"interacted" with your software? Seems unreliable / risky / unlikely to
achieve the goal, if tested.
regards,
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Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
F
nyone operating other bits (or implementations of) the distributed
system.
I think maybe you are seriously undervaluing the benefits of using a
licence that everyone already knows and that is compatible with many
other Free Software licences.
regards,
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Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key
aybe - your reply above seems to too; what I
can't get clarity on is that issue of the reasonable degree of caution,
and the appropriate balance between different interests).
regards,
--
Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
If you don't have time to do it right, where are you going to find the time
to do it over?
se any issues for Debian?
Does the answer to that question change in any way if it is the GPLv3+
instead?
Thanks,
--
Paul Jakma | p...@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
The faster we go, the rounder we get.
-- The Grateful Dead
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