time-stamping (was: Re: debian patent policy?)

2013-09-27 Thread Erik Josefsson
On 09/27/2013 11:33 PM, Paul Elliott wrote: > I have some ideas in my head that I am thinking about patenting, but I only > want to torture the proprietary software people with it. You can be a pain to proprietary software people by time-stamping the normal open development process: http://e

Re: debian patent policy?

2013-09-27 Thread Ben Finney
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to gmane.linux.debian.devel.project as well. Paul Elliott writes: > 1)Debian will not knowingly distribute software encumbered by > patents; Debian contributors should not package or distribute > softwa

Re: debian patent policy?

2013-09-27 Thread Ben Finney
Paul Elliott writes: > 1)Debian will not knowingly distribute software encumbered by > patents; Debian contributors should not package or distribute > software they know to infringe a patent. This implies that software *covered* by patents, but not *encumbered* by any patents,

Re: debian patent policy?

2013-09-27 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Paul, Forwarding your message on to debian-project, which is where project policies are discussed. On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 04:33:44PM -0500, Paul Elliott wrote: > Policy Statement > 1)Debian will not knowingly distribute software encumbered by > patents; Debian contributors

debian patent policy?

2013-09-27 Thread Paul Elliott
Policy Statement 1)Debian will not knowingly distribute software encumbered by patents; Debian contributors should not package or distribute software they know to infringe a patent. 2)Debian will not accept a patent license that is inconsistent

Re: incompatible licenses in the debian directory

2013-09-27 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 03:24:58PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Hm unsure. It really depends on how far you acknowledge the > virality of the GPL – Debian, AFAIK, tends to go more with > the FSF’s extreme interpretation… I don't think my view is out of line with the FSF's. This applies to sour

Re: incompatible licenses in the debian directory

2013-09-27 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Paul Tagliamonte dixit: >This is a GPL restriction. Since the upstream code isn't GPL, why are >you using a GPL argument about build scripts? -- in theory this would apply >to build scripts for the GPLv3'd debian/* files, but there are none that Hm unsure. It really depends on how far you acknowl

Re: incompatible licenses in the debian directory

2013-09-27 Thread Miles Lubin
Given the lack of specific mention of a different license for debian/* in d/copyright, I think it's fair to say that debian/* was licensed under CPL, whether intended or not. Still, upstream has changed to EPL, and Soeren has refused to relicense his work under EPL (and has offered GPL-3 as an alte

Re: incompatible licenses in the debian directory

2013-09-27 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 01:06:27PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Paul Tagliamonte debian.org> writes: > > > So, the way *I* see this is so long as the GPL code isn't being put into > > a combined work with anything (e.g. GPL'd patches), it *should* be OK. > > Unfortunately, GPLv3 considers bui

Re: incompatible licenses in the debian directory

2013-09-27 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Paul Tagliamonte debian.org> writes: > So, the way *I* see this is so long as the GPL code isn't being put into > a combined work with anything (e.g. GPL'd patches), it *should* be OK. Unfortunately, GPLv3 considers build scripts (thus, d/rules plus the input for the declarative dh* commands, pl

Re: Oracle Java

2013-09-27 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Andrew Shadura wrote: > As far as I remember, a license change for the non-free Oracle Java > some time ago made in non-redistributable by Linux distributions. Indeed. > However, news say Raspbian now includes Oracle Java [1]. I wonder: has > anything changed in

Oracle Java

2013-09-27 Thread Andrew Shadura
Hello, As far as I remember, a license change for the non-free Oracle Java some time ago made in non-redistributable by Linux distributions. However, news say Raspbian now includes Oracle Java [1]. I wonder: has anything changed in Oracle Java licensing, or is it just an exception Oracle made for