Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Howard Chu
Steve Langasek wrote: Let's not forget that Al Capone was convicted not for murder, racketeering, or bootlegging, but for tax evasion; and that the US tax code specifies where on your tax form you are required to report income from the sale of illegal drugs. It would be ironic for a dissident to

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 04:27:14PM -0700, Howard Chu wrote: > >That's not the point. The purpose of the Dissident Test is to demonstrate > >that distribution channels for software are not necessarily symmetric; it > >may be very easy for you to distribute the software, but very > >hard/expensive/d

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Howard Chu
Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:53:01PM -0700, Howard Chu wrote: Sure, but that doesn't make it DFSG free (hint: it's likely not)[1][2] [1]: The Dissident test [2]: The Desert Island test Sure, but #2 is stupid. We didn't say "must send changes back immediately." Nor would

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:53:01PM -0700, Howard Chu wrote: > >Sure, but that doesn't make it DFSG free (hint: it's likely not)[1][2] > >[1]: The Dissident test > >[2]: The Desert Island test > Sure, but #2 is stupid. We didn't say "must send changes back > immediately." Nor would we wish any suc

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Howard Chu
Paul Tagliamonte wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:19:47PM -0700, Howard Chu wrote: Right, I want to understand AGPL's motivations is all. I used to put similar terms on my code, back before the GPL existed. Essentially: If you modify this code, you must send your modifications back to me (the

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Howard Chu
Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Richard Fontana's message of 2013-07-11 10:45:00 -0700: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 08:27:31AM -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Richard Fontana's message of 2013-07-11 06:55:12 -0700: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:12:39PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: I'm no

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:19:47PM -0700, Howard Chu wrote: > >Right, I want to understand AGPL's motivations is all. > > I used to put similar terms on my code, back before the GPL existed. > Essentially: If you modify this code, you must send your > modifications back to me (the original author)

Standard implementation of constant, copyright or not ?

2013-07-11 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
Hi, I plan to package adms on the behalf of debian science in order to package qucs. I have a legal problem: Some file are : Copyright 2007Accellera Organization, Inc. Standard definitions This file contains the standard definition package constants.vams for Verilog-AMS HDL. Extracted fr

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Richard Fontana's message of 2013-07-11 10:45:00 -0700: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 08:27:31AM -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: > > Excerpts from Richard Fontana's message of 2013-07-11 06:55:12 -0700: > > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:12:39PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > > > > I'm no exp

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 08:27:31AM -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: > Excerpts from Richard Fontana's message of 2013-07-11 06:55:12 -0700: > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:12:39PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > > > I'm no expert but that would be my interpretation. Also when I asked > > > > about the b

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Richard Fontana's message of 2013-07-11 06:55:12 -0700: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:12:39PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > > I'm no expert but that would be my interpretation. Also when I asked > > > about the basis of the network part of the AGPL during the GPLv3 talk > > > at D

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread MJ Ray
On 11/07/13 14:55, Richard Fontana wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:12:39PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: >> And with open source software you often deal with "modified" versions, >> so claiming this is a special case ("[...] was specifically based on >> modification, _not_ on public performanc

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Donnerstag, 11. Juli 2013, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote: > My understanding though that if Debian is the one making the > modification then Debian is the one responsible for making the source > available. I think this is done already, since roughly 20 years, have a look at ftp.debian.org c

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
On 11.07.2013 09:12, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: On 07/11/2013 14:15, Paul Wise wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Lars Meyser wrote: No I did not miss that, but I'm not entirely sure of the implications. So if I use a packaged version of a program which has been modified (e.g. by Debian pat

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:12:39PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > I'm no expert but that would be my interpretation. Also when I asked > > about the basis of the network part of the AGPL during the GPLv3 talk > > at DebConf10 in NYC, Bradley said the AGPL was specifically based on > > modificat

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 07/11/2013 14:15, Paul Wise wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Lars Meyser wrote: >> No I did not miss that, but I'm not entirely sure of the implications. So if >> I >> use a packaged version of a program which has been modified (e.g. by Debian >> patches) I am not obliged to make the s