Translated man pages licenses

2008-01-08 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi While investigating manpages-cs licensing, I looked at other manpages-* packages copyright files and some of them really look strange for me. manpages-de/copyright[1], manpages-hu/copyright[2] and manpages-jp/copyright[3]: "commercial distribution may impose other requirements (e.g., acknowled

Re: Warranty disclaimers with SHOUTY CAPITALS

2008-01-08 Thread Ben Finney
Richard Fontana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ben Finney wrote: > > This still stands. I'm still entirely unaware of what the legal > > reason [for SHOUTY CAPITALS in disclaimers] is. > > This is explained in the rationale document that accompanied the third > public draft of GPLv3, > http://gplv

Re: Warranty disclaimers with SHOUTY CAPITALS

2008-01-08 Thread Richard Fontana
Ben Finney wrote: > Sadly, checking the released version of GPLv3, I see that the sections > "15. Disclaimer of Warranty." and "16. Limitation of Liability." both > contain all text in SHOUTY CAPITALS. > > That's disappointing :-( I wasn't aware they'd been reverted from > readable text. It must h

Re: Warranty disclaimers with SHOUTY CAPITALS

2008-01-08 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > For what it's worth, the GPLv3 drafters researched the commonly-held > belief that SHOUTY CAPITALS are required for warranty disclaimers, > and concluded there was no such requirement: > > The warranty exclusions that were in GPL2 have not been changed

Warranty disclaimers with SHOUTY CAPITALS (was: licensing of XMPP specifications)

2008-01-08 Thread Ben Finney
John Halton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Also, as regards the SHOUTY CAPITALS thing, I gather some > jurisdictions in the US make this a legal requirement, For what it's worth, the GPLv3 drafters researched the commonly-held belief that SHOUTY CAPITALS are required for warranty disclaimers, and

Re: licensing of XMPP specifications

2008-01-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
John Halton wrote: Also, as regards the SHOUTY CAPITALS thing, I gather some jurisdictions in the US make this a legal requirement, so the board may want to check their local legal position before finalising the non-shouty version. Well I notice that even the MIT License formats the disclaimer

Re: licensing of XMPP specifications

2008-01-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Francesco Poli wrote: On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:09:41 -0700 Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Ben Finney wrote: Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: After some discussion and wordsmithing, we have consensus on the following wording (for which the "permissions" section is essentially a modified

Re: licensing of XMPP specifications

2008-01-08 Thread John Halton
On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 12:36:07AM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: > The proposed license talks about a "Specification", which becomes a bit > problematic, as soon as I modify the Specification to the point it is > not a "Specification" anymore. I could turn it into a poem, or into a > summary descri

Re: licensing of XMPP specifications

2008-01-08 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:09:41 -0700 Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > Ben Finney wrote: > > Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >> After some discussion and wordsmithing, we have consensus on the > >> following wording (for which the "permissions" section is > >> essentially a modified MI

Re: Serious doubts about the distributability of a file

2008-01-08 Thread Vincent Fourmond
Francesco Poli wrote: >> Probably OK in non-free given that Debian is a non-profit >> organisation. > > Wait, wait: IIUC, we are talking about a work which is licensed > under the terms of the GNU LGPL v2 or later as a whole, but includes > code licensed under a non-profit-only license. > > The t

Re: licensing of XMPP specifications

2008-01-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Ben Finney wrote: Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: After some discussion and wordsmithing, we have consensus on the following wording (for which the "permissions" section is essentially a modified MIT license): This raises the question, then, why the exact MIT/X11 license terms w

Re: licensing of XMPP specifications

2008-01-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
John Halton wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 11:53:20AM -0700, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: The membership and Board of Directors of the XSF have discussed this issue and we have consensus that we would like to change the licensing so that it is Debian-friendly (and, more broadly, freedom-friendly).

Re: licensing of XMPP specifications

2008-01-08 Thread Ben Finney
Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > After some discussion and wordsmithing, we have consensus on the > following wording (for which the "permissions" section is > essentially a modified MIT license): This raises the question, then, why the exact MIT/X11 license terms were not used? >

Re: licensing of XMPP specifications

2008-01-08 Thread John Halton
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 11:53:20AM -0700, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > The membership and Board of Directors of the XSF have discussed this > issue and we have consensus that we would like to change the > licensing so that it is Debian-friendly (and, more broadly, > freedom-friendly). Thank you for

licensing of XMPP specifications

2008-01-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Back in October, I posted about the licensing of XMPP specifications produced by the XMPP Standards Foundation (XSF): http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2007/10/msg00055.html The membership and Board of Directors of the XSF have discussed this issue and we have consensus that we would like t

Re: GDAL HDF4 (HDF-EOS) driver license

2008-01-08 Thread Ivan Shmakov
> John Halton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> It may be my english skills that are failing me, but is that >> ``without fee'' piece DFSG-compliant, or not? >> Permission to use, modify, and distribute this software and its >> documentation for any purpose without fee is hereby granted, >>

Re: GDAL HDF4 (HDF-EOS) driver license

2008-01-08 Thread John Halton
On Jan 8, 2008 11:05 AM, Ivan Shmakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It may be my english skills that are failing me, but is that > ``without fee'' piece DFSG-compliant, or not? > > Permission to use, modify, and distribute this software and its documentation > for any purpose without

Re: GDAL HDF4 (HDF-EOS) driver license

2008-01-08 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Ivan Shmakov said: > It may be my english skills that are failing me, but is that > ``without fee'' piece DFSG-compliant, or not? Yes. 'Without fee' in this context is a modifier for 'permission', not for 'purpose'. -- ---

GDAL HDF4 (HDF-EOS) driver license

2008-01-08 Thread Ivan Shmakov
It may be my english skills that are failing me, but is that ``without fee'' piece DFSG-compliant, or not? $ cat gdal/frmts/hdf4/hdf-eos/README The following source files are taken from the HDF-EOS package EHapi.c, GDapi.c, SWapi.c, HDFEOSVersion.h, HdfEosDef.h, ease.h and have

Re: About a couple of licenses in Japanese

2008-01-08 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2008/1/8, Ian Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Point taken. Japanese courts seem to be a bit more concerned with intent > rather than the strength of the wording of a written agreement. If > non-commercial use being prohibited without permission is non-free then this > work should be interpreted as no