Re: Logo trademark license vs. copyright license

2007-04-17 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 06:26:01PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Actually, I believe we specifically want to authorize "diminishing the > distinctiveness" or "harming the reputation". Trademark dilution and > trademark libel suits are not appropriate for free software, if they are > ever approp

Re: Logo trademark license vs. copyright license

2007-04-17 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Francesco Poli wrote: > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:41:45 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > > Yes, these are vague criteria but that is to a certain extent > > inherent in trademark law. You don't know what people will do > > and how that can affect your trademark. > > Wait, the Debian Project should cl

Re: Logo trademark license vs. copyright license

2007-04-17 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:41:45 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > Francesco Poli wrote: [...] > > Anyway, how do you propose to keep the current role distinction > > between the two logos? > > TINLA but I don't think that is necessary. Since the license > is "do whatever you want as long as it doesn'

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-17 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes MJ Ray wrote: There may be a few licences that are buggy about this and to which we want to grant a limited-time exception, but that is not unusual. Use a GR for only that, not a permanent foundation document edit. C

Re: Logo trademark license vs. copyright license

2007-04-17 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Arnoud Engelfriet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Francesco Poli wrote: On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:09:11 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > "The sign X, registered as a trademark under number $NUM in > $REGION,..." I don't know if Debian logos are actually *registered* mark

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
MJ Ray wrote: >There may be a few licences that are buggy about this and to which we >want to grant a limited-time exception, but that is not unusual. Use >a GR for only that, not a permanent foundation document edit. >> Care to craft another solution? [...] >No, I've no interest You just did cr

Re: Logo trademark license vs. copyright license

2007-04-17 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Francesco Poli wrote: > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:09:11 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > > "The sign X, registered as a trademark under number $NUM in > > $REGION,..." > > I don't know if Debian logos are actually *registered* marks. > Possibly, they are just unregistered trademarks... > Does anybody

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-17 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:51:15 +0100 (BST) MJ Ray wrote: > Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:11:52 +0100 (BST) MJ Ray wrote: [...] > > > Has it? I've seen a few people write down this assumption, but > > > I've usually disagreed with them. > > > > I'm afraid you then th

Re: Logo trademark license vs. copyright license

2007-04-17 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:09:11 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > Francesco Poli wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:41:49 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > > > Why would you do that? > > > > Because there can be more than one logo with different meanings. > > As you know, the Debian Project has current

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Re: Logo trademark license vs. copyright license

2007-04-17 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
MJ Ray wrote: > Arnoud Engelfriet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I also don't see a need to indicate a field for the mark when you > > license people to do anything with the mark. So maybe you should > > just omit the entire Z thing. > > How about to avoid accidentally licensing a second mark in a

Re: Logo trademark license vs. copyright license

2007-04-17 Thread MJ Ray
Arnoud Engelfriet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I also don't see a need to indicate a field for the mark when you > license people to do anything with the mark. So maybe you should > just omit the entire Z thing. How about to avoid accidentally licensing a second mark in a different field which loo

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-17 Thread MJ Ray
Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [GPL/LGPL addressed in an earlier thread.] > The Academic Free License does not have > permission to modify. The LaTeX Project Public License does not have > permission to modify. I think AFL is not a DFSG-free licence because of its excessive Mutua

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-17 Thread MJ Ray
Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:11:52 +0100 (BST) MJ Ray wrote: [...] > > Has it? I've seen a few people write down this assumption, but I've > > usually disagreed with them. > > I'm afraid you then think that you have to purge every GPLv2 preamble > from Debian main.

Re: Logo trademark license vs. copyright license

2007-04-17 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Francesco Poli wrote: > On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:41:49 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > > Why would you do that? > > Because there can be more than one logo with different meanings. > As you know, the Debian Project has currently two logos[1]: I understand that. But I think it is sufficient if you