Re: creative commons

2007-01-11 Thread Jeff Carr
On 01/10/07 10:24, Francesco Poli wrote: > Indeed, something vaguely similar to free software, but exclusively > non-commercial, would *not* have been as successful as actual free > software; that non-commercial-only kind of software really exists and is > sometimes referred to as "semi-free softw

Re: creative commons

2007-01-11 Thread Jeff Carr
On 01/11/07 06:42, Terry Hancock wrote: >> | That's good, I'm not convinced that CC in any form isn't DFSG. :) > I agree with you that NC and ND content violates DFSG. Sorry, I had difficulty making my position clear. Even though the existence of an optional clause (like NC) appears to contradi

Re: creative commons

2007-01-11 Thread MJ Ray
Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] The problem is that as things stand, Debian no longer > provides distinct handling for content and code. Did it ever, except as a bug? Bruce Perens, the primary author of the Debian Social Contract and Debian Free Software Guidelines, stated that

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Re: creative commons

2007-01-11 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:44:50 -0800 Jeff Carr wrote: > On 01/09/07 16:34, Francesco Poli wrote: > > > Drafting and actively promoting licenses that forbid commercial use > > and/or modifications harms the free software movement, rather than > > helping it. > > That hasn't always worked out to be

Re: creative commons

2007-01-11 Thread Terry Hancock
Francesco Poli wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:08:48 -0600 Terry Hancock wrote: > > Is this a good reason to avoid promoting such freedoms among creators? That's a "strawman argument": CC promotes By and By-SA licenses as well as NC, ND and others. If there's a fault it's that they don't offer str

Re: creative commons

2007-01-11 Thread MJ Ray
Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MJ Ray wrote: > > Hardly. CC fans seem to see nothing wrong with discriminating against any > > field of endeavour, such as commerce or technical protection. > > I'm not surprised to see MJ Ray say this, since he has chosen to ignore > the fallacies in h