Re: Dispossessing the FSF

2006-02-12 Thread Martin Schulze
Thaddeus H. Black wrote: > I used to be a flag-waving FSF patriot, but for reasons > people familiar with the present GFDL GR debate will > appreciate, the FSF has lost my trust. My question is > as follows. The FSF retains special authority > unilaterally to extend the GPL, LGPL, FDL, etc. For

Re: Distriution of GPL incompatible libraries

2006-02-12 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 2/12/06, Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > However, what if the customer then wanted to sell the machine, or if > > the company wanted to sell machines with this incompatible binary and > > library preinstalled. Would this violation the GPL, or is it possible > > that the compan

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 10:44:51PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > What if he wants to further distribute the stuff to other > people who are using a device like his? I mean, sharing stuff useful > to me is one of the prime reasons I like free software -- if stuff is > useful, I can sha

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread olive
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: don't be an idiot. you only have to keep the invariant sections if you are DISTRIBUTING a copy. you can do whatever you want with your own copy. Right, so you can't *distribute* a copy on an ASCII-only medium, even of th

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 12 Feb 2006, Craig Sanders told this: > On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 07:31:20PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: >> Now, I'd like to download this (translated) manual and place it on >> a portable device I own, so I can easily read it without killing a >> bunch of trees. I think this is clearly a us

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 06:28:34PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > there's nothing in the GFDL that prevents you from doing that. the > > capabilities of your medium are beyond the ability of the GFDL (or any > > license) to control. > > This is

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > there's nothing in the GFDL that prevents you from doing that. the > capabilities of your medium are beyond the ability of the GFDL (or any > license) to control. This is hardly true. The GFDL says you must transmit the original Japanese text in the ca

Re: Affero General Public License

2006-02-12 Thread Jeremy Hankins
"Benj. Mako Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Others have already made the point that the AGPL is not a narrowly >> defined restriction -- that it's actually quite significant and >> ill-defined under certain circumstances. > > Narrowly defined is subjective. I'm not disagreeing with your >

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 05:19:37PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > don't be an idiot. you only have to keep the invariant sections if you > > are DISTRIBUTING a copy. you can do whatever you want with your own > > copy. > > Right, so you can't

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 07:31:20PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > Now, I'd like to download this (translated) manual and place it on a > portable device I own, so I can easily read it without killing a bunch > of trees. I think this is clearly a useful modification, and I think > that I should

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > don't be an idiot. you only have to keep the invariant sections if you > are DISTRIBUTING a copy. you can do whatever you want with your own > copy. Right, so you can't *distribute* a copy on an ASCII-only medium, even of the English translation of a

A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Anton Zinoviev wrote: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 01:19:58PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > We have already discussed many examples, if you have some new example > you are welcome to share it with us. :-) I don't recall the following example being brought up. Let's assume a manual, written by

Re: Affero General Public License

2006-02-12 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
> "Benj. Mako Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > >> Isn't this exactly what the Affero bit and GPLv3(7d) do? They also > >> "bring copyright into the interactions between [ASP software] and > >> [...] users". > > > > No. They provide a narrowly defined restriction on modification -- > >

Re: Affero General Public License

2006-02-12 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 12:13:26PM -0500, Benj. Mako Hill wrote: > > > If you have one GPL-ish license designed for arcades, and another for toll > > booths, and another for web services, then you can't use code written for > > toll booths in a web service, and vice versa. > > That's a pratical p

Re: Distriution of GPL incompatible libraries

2006-02-12 Thread Josh Triplett
Glenn L. McGrath wrote: > This question doesn't directly relate to debian, but i hope you can > help straighten me out with this. > > I'm trying to understand licensing obligations in regard to GPL'ed > binaries that link to GPL incompatible libraries. OK. > The current situation. > A GPL'ed bin

Re: Affero General Public License

2006-02-12 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 04:18:26PM -0500, Benj. Mako Hill wrote: > > There's the possibility that we solve this problems in different ways > > for different classes of license. The AGPL might not do that now but > > maybe we can make it do that or find another license that does > > that. Maybe w

Re: Affero General Public License

2006-02-12 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:40:23 -0500 Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 04:12:39PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > > Would it be an excessive requirement to provide an offer for source > > (at up to 10 times your cost of providing source)? The offer could > > easily be stuck in the fine p

Re: legal residence for corporations

2006-02-12 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 2/12/06, Mahesh T. Pai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > I believe that the position is similar in `Civil law' systems, > (France, Germany and similar jurisprudential systems). Strange things happen in the civil law district of Munich I. http://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/resources/feedback/OIIFB_GPL2_2