Re: Problems with ntp

2005-09-20 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Marco D'Itri wrote: I do, and I stand by my opinion: the package license is intended to be applied to everything, and pretending otherwise is useless pedantry. Modern copyright law, unfortunately, demands pedantry. If you think it's useless, that's your opinion, but as far as I can tell that'

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-20 Thread Nathanael Nerode
M J Ray wrote: "Joe Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] It has long been held that private copying is not covered by copyright. (Think: making a cassette tape from a cd). Maybe you've just worded this badly, or maybe you're relying on some specific place's laws, but my private copying is su

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-20 Thread MJ Ray
"Joe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > If a person has no reason to think that something may possibly be illeagal > then there is likely a severe problem with the law. There are severe problems with copyright law. Doesn't change whether or not you broke it. > For example, if a law prohib

Invitation to California, Spain, and Italy; c/bb

2005-09-20 Thread IPSI Conferences
Dear potential Speaker: Based on your explicit or implicit interest expressed in the past, on behalf of the organizing committee, we would like to extend a cordial invitation for you to submit a paper to the IPSI Transactions journal, or to attend one of the upcoming multidisciplinary, interdis

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-20 Thread Joe Smith
- Original Message - From: "MJ Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It is hard to convict somebody for violating a law that they honestly have no reason to belive they might have violated. [...] Never heard the expression "ignorance is not a defence"? One would still be found guilty, but penaltie

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-20 Thread Michael Poole
Henning Makholm writes: > Scripsit Michael Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Marco d'Itri writes: > >>> Sure, but the DFSG is not about a license being good or bad. There are >>> plenty of "bad" licenses which are free. > >> Only for a strange definition of "free" (such that some might accuse >> you of

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-20 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Michael Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Marco d'Itri writes: >> Sure, but the DFSG is not about a license being good or bad. There are >> plenty of "bad" licenses which are free. > Only for a strange definition of "free" (such that some might accuse > you of wanting to put non-free things in

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-20 Thread Michael Poole
Marco d'Itri writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Yes, sure; I don't think irrelevant boilerplate is a *good* thing to have in >>licenses, however. > Sure, but the DFSG is not about a license being good or bad. There are > plenty of "bad" licenses which are free. Only for a strange definition o

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Is private modification safeguarded by the DFSG? I think so. I don't. >DFSG 1, 3 and 6 interaction. Not really obvious. -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Yes, sure; I don't think irrelevant boilerplate is a *good* thing to have in >licenses, however. Sure, but the DFSG is not about a license being good or bad. There are plenty of "bad" licenses which are free. -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: Linuxsampler license

2005-09-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 9/20/05, Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/20/05, Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] > > Harald Welte have successfully pursued > > infringment claims against people who violate the GPL. > > Einstweilige Verfuegung (ex parte action) != Hauptverfahren (lawsuit

Re: Linuxsampler license

2005-09-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 9/20/05, Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > Harald Welte have successfully pursued > infringment claims against people who violate the GPL. Einstweilige Verfuegung (ex parte action) != Hauptverfahren (lawsuit). http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/43996.html It's a Small Wel

Re: Linuxsampler license

2005-09-20 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 10:31:30AM +0300, Harri Järvi wrote: > It has come to my attention that released Linuxsampler versions up to > the latest release 0.3.3 are licensed purely under the GPL. The > "NON COMMERCIAL"-exception has been added to the cvs version and is > reflected on the homepage

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-20 Thread MJ Ray
"Joe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 17 USC 106 (which 17 USC 117 references) subparagraph b, is rediculous. 1. that is all about US law. Debian is distributed many other places. 2. many people consider much copyright law ridiculous. Sadly, it's still the law and does "the law is an ass" ever

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-20 Thread Harri Järvi
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 22:37:31 -0400, Joe Smith wrote: > >This analogy between software and hard copies is deeply flawed. Under > >17 USC 117(a), modificaton of a program is only permitted as an > >essential step in the utilization of the program. > > Certainly if a program fails to do what you