How to proceed with an ITP of questionably licensed software?

2004-06-09 Thread Andrew Pollock
[[ Please CC me on all correspondence, I'm not subscribed ]] Hi, I've filed an ITP (WNPP #252999) on some software that is licensed under the GPL. The source does not contain anything like a COPYING or LICENSE file or anything where the author asserts copyright over the work, or states that it's

Re: Mozilla Public License is non-free: stipulates court venue ?

2004-06-09 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-09 19:08:06 +0100 Lex Spoon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm afraid that is a revisionist interpretation. First, Mozilla is certainly intended to be "Open Source", which is essentially the same as what Debian means by "free": The jury seems out on that. They could mean *anything* b

Re: XMMS in main?

2004-06-09 Thread Jerry Haltom
> Threads on debian-user don't mean a damn thing. Thanks. That totally clears up the issue. I will now continue using XMMS properly!

Re: Mozilla Public License is non-free: stipulates court venue ?

2004-06-09 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 02:31:44PM -0400, Lex Spoon wrote: > Just to toss some fuel on the fire, it seems like debian-legal should > give careful consideration to licenses like this that are written by a > team of lawyers from a big corporation. These licenses seem to > frequently include stipulat

Re: Mozilla Public License is non-free: stipulates court venue ?

2004-06-09 Thread Lex Spoon
Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 10:30:09PM +, Jim Marhaus wrote: > > | With respect to disputes in which at least one party is a citizen of, or > > an > > | entity chartered or registered to do business in the United States of > > America, > > | any litig

Re: Mozilla Public License is non-free: stipulates court venue ?

2004-06-09 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 02:14:33AM +0530, Mahesh T. Pai wrote: > > Oh, wouldn't life be easy if everyone would just use the GPL or BSD > license > > and all these variations would just disappear. > > Freedom comes at a price!!! "The price of freedom is eternal idiots"? -- .''`. ** Debian

Re: Mozilla Public License is non-free: stipulates court venue ?

2004-06-09 Thread Lex Spoon
Sean Kellogg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't believe the MPL was ever meant to be a free license,just an open one, > hence the requests and eventual agreement to release it under the GPL. So > long as Debian distributes under the GPL, there's no issue for debian-legal. > I'm afraid that i

Re: Mozilla Public License is non-free: stipulates court venue ?

2004-06-09 Thread Mahesh T. Pai
Sean Kellogg said on Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 09:55:55PM -0700,: > I don't believe the MPL was ever meant to be a free license,just an open > one, > hence the requests and eventual agreement to release it under the We had discussed the *Nokia* Public licnese earlier, found that it identical in

Re: Mozilla Public License is non-free: stipulates court venue ?

2004-06-09 Thread Jim Marhaus
Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Doesn't Debian use Mozilla under the GPL/LGPL license option though? (In > other words, is anyone using the MPL in a way that matters to Debian?) Could you provide a reference about this GPL/LGPL option? The copyright file I found for Mozilla Firefox only references th

Re: Creative Commons Attribution license element

2004-06-09 Thread Evan Prodromou
> "NN" == Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Me> On the Creative Commons side, I'd wonder what opportunity there Me> is to get Debian's very tardy comments and critiques applied to Me> new versions of the CC licenses. NN> Perhaps if they read their own mailing list?.

Re: license change for POSIX manpages

2004-06-09 Thread Josh Triplett
Florian Weimer wrote: > * Josh Triplett: >>One other issue: does "and the nroff source is included" mean that if I >>want to hand someone a printed copy of a manual page, I have to either >>print the nroff source or supply it on an attached disk? This seems >>onerous for physical distribution. >

Re: Creative Commons Attribution license element

2004-06-09 Thread Evan Prodromou
> "EP" == Evan Prodromou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: EP> the Creative Commons trademark that [is] scattered in various EP> nor under the license agreement. _Alice_ didn't [say] Bob couldn't Sorry, those two omissions were driving me crazy. ~ESP -- Evan Prodromou Email: [EMAIL PROT

Re: license change for POSIX manpages

2004-06-09 Thread Florian Weimer
* Josh Triplett: > Agreed. "In the text" could imply "right next to where you differ from > the standard", which would probably be unreasonable enough to be > non-free. Without the "in the text", modifiers could simply add a > blanket notice somewhere in the distributed work saying "this has bee

Re: Creative Commons Attribution license element

2004-06-09 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-09 09:17:45 +0100 Evan Prodromou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just don't think the second paragraph in the trademark box is binding in any way. After all, Creative Commons (quite wisely) states that it is not a party to the license. For what reason, then, should either of the parties

Re: Creative Commons Attribution license element

2004-06-09 Thread Evan Prodromou
> "MR" == MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> a number of mix-and-match license elements (Attribution, >> ShareAlike, NonCommercial, NoDerivatives). So any CC license >> that would require Attribution would also fall under this >> analysis. MR> Do any SA/NC/ND licences n