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Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Josh Triplett
Lewis Jardine wrote: > Josh Triplett wrote: > >> MJ Ray wrote: >> >>> Related, is the following licence DFSG-free: >>> >>> "I grant permission to you to do any act with my work. Please ask me to >>> link to mirrors. Please link to this site and credit the contributors. >>> No warranty offered and

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 04:42:37PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 08:23:12PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > I thought the advertising clause was just about the only restriction > > > in those licenses, the problem being that the GPL doesn't allow extra > > > restrictions

Re: XMMS in main?

2004-06-05 Thread Måns Rullgård
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 02:22:46PM -0500, Jerry Haltom wrote: >> I am curious what the current status of the XMMS patent situation means >> for Debian. I can find the following conversation that suggests >> XMMS should be moved to non-free... and after

Re: XMMS in main?

2004-06-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 02:22:46PM -0500, Jerry Haltom wrote: > I am curious what the current status of the XMMS patent situation means > for Debian. I can find the following conversation that suggests > XMMS should be moved to non-free... and after examination I agree. Why > then is XMMS still in

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 08:23:12PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > I thought the advertising clause was just about the only restriction > > in those licenses, the problem being that the GPL doesn't allow extra > > restrictions. > > That's the "not quite" part. It's almost entirely irrelevant bec

XMMS in main?

2004-06-05 Thread Jerry Haltom
I am curious what the current status of the XMMS patent situation means for Debian. I can find the following conversation that suggests XMMS should be moved to non-free... and after examination I agree. Why then is XMMS still in main? http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/09/msg00123.html

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 09:16:07PM +0200, Måns Rullgård wrote: > >> Isn't that what the fuss about the "obnoxious advertising clause" of > >> the old BSD (and new XF86) licence is all about? > > > > No. That is almost, but not quite, entirely irrelevant to the issues > > with those licenses. > > I

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 09:16:07PM +0200, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 10:49:38AM +0200, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: > >> >> Wordings like "please" don't seem to carry much legal value, so I > >> >> suppose it might even be GPL compatibl

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Måns Rullgård
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 10:49:38AM +0200, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: >> >> Wordings like "please" don't seem to carry much legal value, so I >> >> suppose it might even be GPL compatible, though I guess some would >> >> frown upon the request for credit. >>

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-05 06:49:19 +0100 Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think this license is actually legally nearly equivalent to giving the work to the public domain. I believe that is the intention. For some reason, I can find very little information on public domain grants in Englan

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 10:49:38AM +0200, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: > >> Wordings like "please" don't seem to carry much legal value, so I > >> suppose it might even be GPL compatible, though I guess some would > >> frown upon the request for credit. > > > > Nobody here would do so, just so you know. :

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-05 09:49:38 +0100 Måns Rullgård <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Isn't that what the fuss about the "obnoxious advertising clause" of > the old BSD (and new XF86) licence is all about? No, they require specific advertising as a condition of permission. A simple disjunct polite request for

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Måns Rullgård
Lewis Jardine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Måns Rullgård wrote: > >> Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>>Måns Rullgård wrote: Wordings like "please" don't seem to carry much legal value, so I suppose it might even be GPL compatible, though I guess some would frown upon

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Lewis Jardine
Måns Rullgård wrote: Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Måns Rullgård wrote: Wordings like "please" don't seem to carry much legal value, so I suppose it might even be GPL compatible, though I guess some would frown upon the request for credit. Nobody here would do so, just so yo

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Måns Rullgård
Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Måns Rullgård wrote: > >> MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> On 2004-06-04 11:43:45 +0100 Matthieu Delahaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> [...] I just want to know if there is a list of common license for documentation that are

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Re: You can't get a copy unless you accept the GPL [was: Re: libkrb53 - odd license term]

2004-06-05 Thread Adam McKenna
On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 01:09:00PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > I'll have to retract my assertation that one has to accept the GPL > before downloading a work covered by it. In most jurisdictions that I > know of, people by default have the right to create copies of most > copyrighted works for

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Josh Triplett wrote: > MJ Ray wrote: >> Related, is the following licence DFSG-free: >> >> "I grant permission to you to do any act with my work. Please ask me to >> link to mirrors. Please link to this site and credit the contributors. >> No warranty offered and no liability accepted." > > "Ple

Re: Bug#251983: libcwd: QPL license is non-free; package should not be in main

2004-06-05 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 01:38:26AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > If this is agreed upon by everyone - then it makes sense to talk > > about the choice of venue versus choise of law thing. > > Provided that libcwd WILL be included in Debian, I am willing to > > change the wording of the last se

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Matthieu Delahaye wrote: > Hi, > > I'm currently working on a correct debianisation of uC++ [1] with their > author. They already provide debian packages but they are not 100% > respecting Debian policies. > > The author wrote a consistent manual for this software [2]. Currently the > "license

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Måns Rullgård wrote: > MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On 2004-06-04 11:43:45 +0100 Matthieu Delahaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> [...] I just want to know if there is a list of >>> common license for documentation that are definitively known to be >>> DFSG >>> free. >> >> I'm no

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Nathanael Nerode
MJ Ray wrote: > On 2004-06-04 11:43:45 +0100 Matthieu Delahaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> [...] I just want to know if there is a list of >> common license for documentation that are definitively known to be >> DFSG >> free. > > I'm not sure about definitive, but generally most DFSG-free

Re: Bug#251983: libcwd: QPL license is non-free; package should not be in main

2004-06-05 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Carlo Wood wrote: > On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 10:15:26PM -0400, Walter Landry wrote: >> As for 6c, I am convinced by the arguments in >> >> http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/03/msg00626.html >> http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/03/msg00626.html >> >> which render its problems