Re: A radical approach to rewriting the DFSG#

2004-06-01 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 02:33:32PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:52:22AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > /usr/share/doc/apache/copyright > > > > > > 3. The end-user documentation included with the redistribution, > > >if any, must include the following acknowledg

Re: A radical approach to rewriting the DFSG

2004-06-01 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 30 May 2004 13:24:55 +0200 Francesco Poli wrote: > > Comments will be appreciated - both about the general angle of > > attack, and about my specific draft. I have probably forgotten about > > a detail here and there. > > First comments Antoher couple of comments: * "A derived work can

You can't get a copy unless you accept the GPL [was: Re: libkrb53 - odd license term]

2004-06-01 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:35:09 +1000 Matthew Palmer wrote: > I guess, though, in a way > it's another wording of the GPL's "you can't legally get a copy except > by the permissions we've granted here, so we'll take it as read you > accept this licence" clause. Wait, wait! I'm not sure I understand w

Re: A radical approach to rewriting the DFSG

2004-06-01 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 31 May 2004 01:04:36 -0400 Glenn Maynard wrote: > 2. Source code > "The source for a work is a machine-readable form that is > appropriate for modifying the work or inspecting its structure and > inner workings." > > Is there a benefit to using a different definition than the GPL?

Re: A radical approach to rewriting the DFSG#

2004-06-01 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:52:22AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > /usr/share/doc/apache/copyright > > > > 3. The end-user documentation included with the redistribution, > >if any, must include the following acknowledgment: > > "This product includes software developed by the > >

Re: libkrb53 - odd license term

2004-06-01 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-01 11:35:09 +0100 Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You're saying that because it doesn't say "retains _exclusive_ copyright", it doesn't preclude others from claiming copyright over other (non OpenVision) portions of the work? [...] Not exactly (else I would have written t

Re: libkrb53 - odd license term

2004-06-01 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 11:27:05AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > >"OpenVision also retains copyright to derivative works of the Source > >Code, > >whether created by OpenVision or by a third party" seems like it > >tries to > >claim copyright in parts of derived works that they didn't create. > > This

Re: libkrb53 - odd license term

2004-06-01 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-05-31 21:15:35 +0100 Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The second paragraph is very questionable, even if the terms being "agreed to" are free. If the only way you can obtain it is by making a copy yourself, it is a little hostile but applicable, I guess. Surely it's not part

Re: A radical approach to rewriting the DFSG#

2004-06-01 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 07:31:51PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 12:00:03AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > I'd like to append something like the following: > > > > The license may not place further constraints on the naming or > > labelling of the derivative work. This i

Re: ipw2100 firmware distributable?

2004-06-01 Thread Marco Franzen
Raul Miller wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 06:47:01PM +0100, Marco Franzen wrote: Right: If something needs special permission, it is non-free and can at most go into non-free. But since non-free is not part of debian (the distribution), special permission only for distributing it *in* debian