Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

Sven Luther wrote: > Rick wrote: > > Now the part of debian-installer that died on me last night has an > > easy fix: Simply do not install any boot loader at all for that > > subarchitecture. > > Rick, Quik can easily be used to boot from CD, no problem, sadly it > cannot be used to boot from

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

Scripsit Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I have not seen the code, so if someone describe this in detail to me, I > can then write a free reimplementation. > Now, we probably don't have the toolchain to do this, and a full cross > compiler for a handfull of instructions is not worth it. Huh? I

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 04:33:34PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > > If i came up with the following : > > > > 1) A description in text form of what the individual bits of this 1K > > boot sector does, and what is needed for miboot booting. > > 2) a small C program or shell s

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 10:30:23PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > > > 1) A description in text form of what the individual bits of this 1K > > boot sector does, and what is needed for miboot booting. > > 2) a small C program or shell script which generate said 1K boot > >

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

Sven Luther wrote: > 1) A description in text form of what the individual bits of this 1K > boot sector does, and what is needed for miboot booting. > 2) a small C program or shell script which generate said 1K boot > sector from some kind of more formal version of the above description. If y

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

Sven Luther wrote: > If i came up with the following : > > 1) A description in text form of what the individual bits of this 1K > boot sector does, and what is needed for miboot booting. > 2) a small C program or shell script which generate said 1K boot > sector from some kind of more for

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

Rick Thomas wrote: > I got as far as the point where the d-i tries to install a > bootloader. It died there because there is no boot loader for the > oldworld subarchitecture. It's good to know that it got that far. > Declare that all OldWorld machines must have a minimal MacOS > partition wit

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 03:32:18PM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: > Here's a thought. First some background: > > Last night, just to prove it could be done, I succeeded (first try) > in using BootX under MacOS9 on an OldWorld PowerMac G3 (beige > mini-tower) to load and run the debian-installer kern

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 02:32:49PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > > Well, we had it in woody boot-floppies, it seems. > > I will be charatable and assume that was an accident, similar to many of > the dozens of other non-free peices of software we have shipped in > woody, and remov

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 12:29:42PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 07:27:33PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > Sven Luther wrote: > > > > Well, the solution would be to force add the miboot stuff to the > > > > debian-installer svn tree, and use it to build. This would make

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

On Sunday 28 March 2004 23:32, Rick Thomas wrote: > It's still possible to use quik or miboot to get a completely > "macOS free" machine, but we can leave that as an exercise for the > serious hackers. Actually on some old powermac clones (like mine, a Umax C500 with a lot of gadgets, like G3, et

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

Here's a thought. First some background: Last night, just to prove it could be done, I succeeded (first try) in using BootX under MacOS9 on an OldWorld PowerMac G3 (beige mini-tower) to load and run the debian-installer kernel and initrd downloaded from:

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

Sven Luther wrote: > Well, we had it in woody boot-floppies, it seems. I will be charatable and assume that was an accident, similar to many of the dozens of other non-free peices of software we have shipped in woody, and removed from sarge. > Also, maybe we should remove d-i from main altogether

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 07:27:33PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > Sven Luther wrote: > > > Well, the solution would be to force add the miboot stuff to the > > > debian-installer svn tree, and use it to build. This would make > > > debian-installer contrib/non-free though, which is why i asked for

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 11:55:03AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Jeremie Koenig wrote: > > The plan was to request a sarge-ignore tag on the "d-i build-depends on > > miboot, which is in contrib", and try to find a better solution for next > > releases. > > This is the first I've heard of this. Has th

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

Jeremie Koenig wrote: > The plan was to request a sarge-ignore tag on the "d-i build-depends on > miboot, which is in contrib", and try to find a better solution for next > releases. This is the first I've heard of this. Has the sarge-ignore status of the GFDL docs really created such a slippery s

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 04:24:05PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 12:08:20PM +0200, Jeremie Koenig wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 09:16:14AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > => would mean contrib probably, but debian-installer is in main. > > > > The plan was to request a

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 12:08:20PM +0200, Jeremie Koenig wrote: > On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 09:16:14AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > => would mean contrib probably, but debian-installer is in main. > > The plan was to request a sarge-ignore tag on the "d-i build-depends on > miboot, which is in cont

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please comment on mplayer 1.0-pre-cvs

hi following the discussion started by Diego Biurrun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have prepared a new packaging of 'mplayer' the files are in http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge I have tried my best to address all known issues: 1) the package contains the detailed Copyright made by Diego Biurrun

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 12:48:49PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > > >Also, this pose the problem of various bootloaders for other, especially > >older hardware. I know that at least the amiga/m68k and amiga/powerpc > >variant depend on the amiboot/apusboot bootloader, which a

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Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

Sven Luther wrote: >Also, this pose the problem of various bootloaders for other, especially >older hardware. I know that at least the amiga/m68k and amiga/powerpc >variant depend on the amiboot/apusboot bootloader, which altough GPLed, >can only be built with the free gcc toolchain on amiga OS, p

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 12:08:20PM +0200, Jeremie Koenig wrote: > On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 09:16:14AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > The problematic file comes in a mac .sit format, is claimed to be GPL by > > the author, and include the source in the above mentioned .sit (no idea > > though, since i

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 09:16:14AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > The problematic file comes in a mac .sit format, is claimed to be GPL by > the author, and include the source in the above mentioned .sit (no idea > though, since i have no mac to look at them). There are various problems > though : >

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 04:33:29AM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: > Maybe we could get the boot-sector code declared "OK to use" by Apple? Yeah, altough to go in main, it needs to be modifiable also. That said, i have some doubts about the value of a modification of such a boot sector, especially since

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

Maybe we could get the boot-sector code declared "OK to use" by Apple? It would be a "hack the system" kind of thing, but I suppose technically they wouldn't have to release the copyright on the source code for the boot sector, just the derived sequence of binary bits. Indeed, Apple may have

Re: Severity of trademark problems

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004, Martin Schulze wrote: > Bug#152857 requests freeamp to be removed from the stable distribution > because upstream renamed (had to rename) itself into Zinf, because > AMPR is a trademark of PlayMedia Systems. > > I wonder if we really need to remove freeamp from Debian stable.

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Severity of trademark problems

Moin! Bug#152857 requests freeamp to be removed from the stable distribution because upstream renamed (had to rename) itself into Zinf, because AMPR is a trademark of PlayMedia Systems. The website states: "Zinf is based on the FreeAmp source code. However, AMPR is a trademark of PlayMedia System

Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

Hello, I have been trying, with help from Jeremie Koenig, to get debian-installer to work on oldworld powermacs, with the help of miboot using boot floppies. Everything is ready for it, except one package which is not yet in the archive, and which proved to be legally nightmarish, so i have some s