Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 11:21:14AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: > While I completely agree with the rest of this message, there is no > reason to threat mplayer in a very special way: if no one can give a > reason to reject mplayer, there is no reason to reject mplayer, like > any other project. While

Re: Is the OSL DFSG free?

2003-10-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 05:51:42PM +1000, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: > Has anyone tried talking to the author of OSL in order to get the > license changed? I think that, as a rule, the -legal mavens don't unilaterally approach the authors of works or licenses. The affected p

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-08 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 04:42:30AM +0200, Gabucino wrote: > So this is not a problem - again. And you're being rudely dismissive - again. Stop acting as if mplayer has never had licensing problems - again - and as if being careful of licensing problems is a waste of time - again. Debian folks ar

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-08 Thread Gabucino
Don Armstrong wrote: > However, since they're generally not free software, nor (for the most > part) are the even legal to (re-)distribute, we don't distribute them > in Debian. (I'd strongly recommend that mplayer take a strong look at > the DLL licenses if mplayer is distributing them.) We don't

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-08 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 02:16:18PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Actually, I believe it still would be DFSG-free. You are right in > general that it doesn't matter which law is being used to impinge > freedom. But a free Official Use Logo could (I think) be written in > such a way as to be

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-08 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > More importantly, the DFSG talks about required freedoms. If freedoms > for a work are actively being restricted by eg. trademark or patent law, > then the work is just as non-free as if they were restricted by copyright. > For example, if the Official

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-08 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 08 Oct 2003, Gabucino wrote: Then let's make it clear. > - is xine's win32dll loader modified to deny loading WMV9 dlls > or > - just DLLs aren't distributed Since MS doesn't appear to be suing anyone nowdays[1] for patent violations while causing DLLs to be loaded, we've never had a pr

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-08 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 11:36:23AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > The violation wouldn't be DFSG-related (the DFSG doesn't say anything > about patents, only about licenses). "License" is relevant to both patents and copyrights. If software is affected by an enforced patent, and a license to tha

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-08 Thread Gabucino
Josselin Mouette wrote: > As Gabucino mentioned, it can also decode WMV9 using the win32 DLL's, > but distributing them is presumably illegal, so this is only a solution > for those who have a copy of some Windows version on their computer. Then let's make it clear. - is xine's win32dll loader mod

Re: License requirements for DSP binaries?

2003-10-08 Thread Thomas Hood
On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 16:03, Brian Ristuccia wrote: > You're talking about the files in mwavem-1.0.4/src/dsp, right? Yes. > Interestingly enough, those files are in RIFF format. It's a structured > multimedia container format. Interesting. > Embedded somewhere in the header of v90.dsp is > the

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-08 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 07 Oct 2003, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > So our policy is to not fret at all unless we have real reason to > > worry. > > Oh sure, but that's unrelated to the legality/illegality of infringing > a patent which was what I was discussing. It'

Re: Japanese font license problem

2003-10-08 Thread Dylan Thurston
On 2003-10-08, Fedor Zuev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In this case, it is very unlikely that TYPEBANK Co. will win > a lawsuit in any country. After all, similarity is not implies > derivative work. But it is very likely that they will threaten, > harass and terrorize everyyone who will eve

Re: Japanese font license problem

2003-10-08 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Andrew Suffield wrote: >On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 10:59:22AM +0900, Kenshi Muto wrote: >> As a result of KANOU's investigation, LABO123 32-dot font is same as the >> bitmap font (TYPEBANK Mincho M) that was developed by TYPEBANK Co., >Are these all bitmap fonts, then? >In some

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-08 Thread Dylan Thurston
On 2003-10-08, Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the only interesting question is whether a phone call from a > non-legal Microsoft employee is enough for Debian to count the patent > as enforced. Alternatively, does anyone think there's a chance Microsoft would be willing to stat

Re: License requirements for DSP binaries?

2003-10-08 Thread Brian Ristuccia
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 08:47:26AM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote: > No source code is provided for the DSP binaries. (N.B., past > discussions of this issue have reached the conclusion that such > software can nevertheless be distributed in main.) > You're talking about the files in mwavem-1.0.4/src/

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op wo 08-10-2003, om 02:53 schreef Brian T. Sniffen: > Gabucino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Glenn Maynard wrote: > >> One version of VirtualDub could read ASF files, and that was quickly > >> removed. > >> That was back in 2000, and I just checked: the news entries appear to have > >> falle

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mer 08/10/2003 à 10:35, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS a écrit : > > If we don't want to include this support, this is not your problem. E.g. > > xine in Debian has WMV9 support stripped off, and there would be no > > reason for mplayer to include it if there are legal issues with it. > > Should this per

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-08 Thread Mathieu Roy
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > Le mer 08/10/2003 à 00:39, Gabucino a écrit : > > We don't want to receive the endless flow of mails asking about why the > > newest, apt-get'ed MPlayer doesn't play ASF/WMV files (a very significant > > part of the streaming media on the Internet)

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-08 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > We don't want to receive the endless flow of mails asking about why the > > newest, apt-get'ed MPlayer doesn't play ASF/WMV files (a very significant > > part of the streaming media on the Internet). > > If we don't want to include this support, this is n

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-08 Thread Gabucino
Josselin Mouette wrote: > If we don't want to include this support, this is not your problem. E.g. > xine in Debian has WMV9 support stripped off, and there would be no > reason for mplayer to include it if there are legal issues with it. lol. Why is it stripped? It's done with the binary DLL. >

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mer 08/10/2003 à 00:39, Gabucino a écrit : > We don't want to receive the endless flow of mails asking about why the > newest, apt-get'ed MPlayer doesn't play ASF/WMV files (a very significant > part of the streaming media on the Internet). If we don't want to include this support, this is not

Re: Is the OSL DFSG free?

2003-10-08 Thread Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader
Has anyone tried talking to the author of OSL in order to get the license changed? -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Japanese font license problem

2003-10-08 Thread Tomohiro KUBOTA
Hi, (I don't subscribe debian-legal. I just read the thread via http://lists.debian.org/ web interface.) > Are these all bitmap fonts, then? No, the list includes outline fonts. These outline fonts adopt TYPEBANK font as a starting point of desigining. --- Tomohiro KUBOTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-08 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > So our policy is to not fret at all unless we have real reason to > worry. Oh sure, but that's unrelated to the legality/illegality of infringing a patent which was what I was discussing. Don Armstrong -- I'd sign up in a hot second for any ce

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-08 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 07 Oct 2003, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Now, 287(a)[2] limits the damages that can be assessed against an > >> un-notified infringer, but doesn't change the illegality of the > >> infringing. >