Re: Should our documentation be free? (Was Re: Inconsistencies in

2003-08-04 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 14:37, Joe Moore wrote: > How is that harder with the FDL "History" section than with the "clearly > marked" BSD code, or the GPL-required changelog? The document trail in "History" may not exist anymore (or may be inadaquate); you can't just say "Oh, this Invariant Section d

Re: Lossless JPEG software, a patch without a license

2003-08-04 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 06:24:24PM +0100, Steve King wrote: > There is a "semi-official" patch set for the IJG jpeg code: > ftp://ftp.imagemagick.org/pub/ImageMagick/delegates/ljpeg-6b.tar.gz > which adds support for lossless jpeg files. > > There is no Copyright, README, or similar file with a li

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-04 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Lynn Winebarger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >It can also be turned around - why claim everything is software except >to force DSFG restrictions where they are unnecessary or undeserved? One good definition of software is "the part of a computer that's not hardware". Another is "Information in a format d

Re: Should our documentation be free? (Was Re: Inconsistencies in

2003-08-04 Thread Joe Moore
Brian T. Sniffen said: > "Joe Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Joe Wreschnig said: >>> If someone adds proprietary code to BSD-licensed code, however, you >>> can later extract the free code (assuming you have access to the code >>> of the now-proprietary program), and use it in something else

Re: a minimal copyleft

2003-08-04 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 08:49:07PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 12:21:59AM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > > * Though it's generally a good thing that the GPL requires me to > > provide source, this requirement gives less benefit in the case of > > text and can have

Re: a minimal copyleft

2003-08-04 Thread Richard Braakman
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 08:49:07PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > This is why, when using the GPL for things which are not clearly > program source code, you must always specify what the preferred form > for modification is (append it to the license declaration, which > should be just below the co

Re: a minimal copyleft

2003-08-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 12:21:59AM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > * Though it's generally a good thing that the GPL requires me to > provide source, this requirement gives less benefit in the case of > text and can have some unpleasant consequences. For example, if > someone makes a derived w

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-04 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Lynn Winebarger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > This is circular. You are only routing around DFSG's inconvenient > restrictions if those restrictions apply (by virtue of being software). > It can also be turned around - why claim everything is software except > to force DSFG restrictions whe

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-04 Thread Lynn Winebarger
Branden Robinson wrote: On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 02:10:37AM +0200, Sergey V. Spiridonov wrote: If one does not see the difference between program and documentation, it is very hard to explain why they do not need the same kind of freedoms. If one cannot coherently and usefully *describe* the

Re: a minimal copyleft

2003-08-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 12:21:59AM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > * The compulsory change log is similarly inconvenient, though everyone > seems to ignore that part of the GPL anyway. Not everyone. apt-get source xfree86 vi xfree86-*/debian/local/xserver-wrapper.c -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: License evaluation sought

2003-08-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 12:22:27AM +0200, Tore Anderson wrote: > > Personally, I don't like it. Use of DFSG4 (beyond "The license > > may require... a different name") isn't really encouraged, and if > > one can't distributed modified binaries because there are no > > binaries, the software fe

Re: Should our documentation be free? (Was Re: Inconsistencies in our approach)

2003-08-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 05:08:36PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Anyway, even if this was the 'solution', we still *must* kick the GCC > and GNU Emacs manuals out of main. > > I don't understand why that hasn't been done yet. Cowardice, and the (apparently) delusional belief that further nego

Lossless JPEG software, a patch without a license

2003-08-04 Thread Steve King
Dear Legal Gurus, There is a "semi-official" patch set for the IJG jpeg code: ftp://ftp.imagemagick.org/pub/ImageMagick/delegates/ljpeg-6b.tar.gz which adds support for lossless jpeg files. The archive contains three files: ljpeg-6b.patch and two copies of a test image, in both lossless jpeg and

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 02:10:37AM +0200, Sergey V. Spiridonov wrote: > If one does not see the difference between program and documentation, it > is very hard to explain why they do not need the same kind of freedoms. If one cannot coherently and usefully *describe* the difference between progra

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Re: Should our documentation be free? (Was Re: Inconsistencies in

2003-08-04 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
"Joe Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Joe Wreschnig said: >> If someone adds proprietary code to BSD-licensed code, however, you can >> later extract the free code (assuming you have access to the code of >> the now-proprietary program), and use it in something else. Once >> proprietary (invar

Re: Should our documentation be free? (Was Re: Inconsistencies in

2003-08-04 Thread Joe Moore
Joe Wreschnig said: > If someone adds proprietary code to BSD-licensed code, however, you can > later extract the free code (assuming you have access to the code of > the now-proprietary program), and use it in something else. Once > proprietary (invariant) sections are added to something under the

Re: a minimal copyleft

2003-08-04 Thread Jacobo Tarrio
O Luns, 4 de Agosto de 2003 ás 00:21:59 +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS escribía: > (L) Public Property: You may do anything you want with this work > provided that you inform all recipients that all derived works must > likewise be Public Property. ... with no additional restrictions. -- Tar

Re: a minimal copyleft

2003-08-04 Thread Keith Stephen Dunwoody
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > > (L) Public Property: You may do anything you want with this work > provided that you inform all recipients that all derived works must > likewise be Public Property. > I'm not really big into -legal, but I wonder if there might be some confusion