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2003-02-02 Thread Zbigniew Wieczorek
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Re: CLUEBAT: copyrights, infringement, violations, and legality

2003-02-02 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 11:49:58AM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote: > So, a "natural right" is whatever is considered a right according to > whatever happen to be the morals of the dominant society of the age, > whereas the other type of right is whatever is considered a right > (or convenient, or profi

Re: CLUEBAT: copyrights, infringement, violations, and legality

2003-02-02 Thread Richard Braakman
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 11:49:58AM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote: > So, a "natural right" is whatever is considered a right according to > whatever happen to be the morals of the dominant society of the age, > whereas the other type of right is whatever is considered a right > (or convenient, or profi

Re: CLUEBAT: copyrights, infringement, violations, and legality

2003-02-02 Thread Nick Phillips
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 11:37:31PM +0200, Richard Braakman wrote: > I think I can give a useful example here: the ancient Greeks and > Romans also kept slaves. Doing so was acceptable according to > their culture and laws, but we still think it was wrong. > The difference is precisely that we con

Re: VoIP - patented codecs - question *** New debian repository - debian-no-patents ???

2003-02-02 Thread Csillag Kristof
2003-02-02, v keltezéssel Fabian Fagerholm ezt írta: > On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 16:30, Csillag Kristóf wrote: > > Maybe some of us could use G.723.1 for free (without breaking the law), > > after all. > > Perhaps it would be possible to convince MicroTelco to support a free > codec? Well...I will try

Re: CLUEBAT: copyrights, infringement, violations, and legality

2003-02-02 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 03:44:47PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 10:30:38AM -0500, Bob Hilliard wrote: > > Euclid lived and worked in a Greek culture, under Greek laws. > > The apostles lived and wrote in predominantly Greek cultures, under > > Roman Laws. > > I thi

Re: CLUEBAT: copyrights, infringement, violations, and legality

2003-02-02 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 07:41:15PM +1100, Paul Hampson wrote: > At this point, I looked back at the original email, and I can't see > what you're suggest copyright is, if not a right... Neither 'privelege' > nor 'responsibility' seemed to appear in your email, and those are the > words I immediatel

Re: CLUEBAT: copyrights, infringement, violations, and legality

2003-02-02 Thread Branden Robinson
You guys have been following up to both lists, when both the headers and body of the original message in this thread explicitly requested to followups to -legal only. Please stop ignoring this. On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 02:13:13PM +1100, Paul Hampson wrote: > On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 09:34:13AM -060

Re: CLUEBAT: copyrights, infringement, violations, and legality

2003-02-02 Thread Branden Robinson
[Folloups were set to -legal only; please don't ignore that.] On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 10:30:38AM -0500, Bob Hilliard wrote: > On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:16:24PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > Now, then, do > > you think Euclid held a co

Re: CLUEBAT: copyrights, infringement, violations, and legality

2003-02-02 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 10:03:02AM +, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > The Universal Declaration of Human > > Rights[0], adopted by the United Nations in 1948, lists many other > > rights commonly thought of as "natural rights" or "civil rights"

Re: CLUEBAT: copyrights, infringement, violations, and legality

2003-02-02 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 02:48:04AM -0600, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: > Thanks for the thoughtful essay. Since you're "pulling an RMS" you might > reconsider using the term "intellectual property" in the context of > combining disparate areas of law (like patents and copyrights). You could > have

Re: CLUEBAT: copyrights, infringement, violations, and legality

2003-02-02 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 01:20:51PM +1300, Philip Charles wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Brandon's arguments are based on the reasoning of the Founding Fathers Whose arguments? > > when they first put together US. Copyright was given by the government > > to the artist

Re: CLUEBAT: copyrights, infringement, violations, and legality

2003-02-02 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 10:21:26PM -0800, Terry Hancock wrote: > A nice collection of arguments, but I'm really uncertain why you're posting > it here. Isn't this kind of "preaching to the choir"? Or did I miss > something so that the "cluebat" needs to be used on me? :-D Grep your debian-devel

Re: VoIP - patented codecs - question

2003-02-02 Thread Fabian Fagerholm
On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 16:30, Csillag Kristóf wrote: > Maybe some of us could use G.723.1 for free (without breaking the law), > after all. Perhaps it would be possible to convince MicroTelco to support a free codec? -- Fabian Fagerholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> paniq.net