Re: facultative linking and libraries. ...

2001-06-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Sven LUTHER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This causes no problem, because the QPL is not incompatible with the LGPL, > but it is with the GPL. So there is no possibility to link it with > libreadline, isn't it ? You are correct: such a combination is not allowed if the licenses are incompatible.

Re: Question about the old BSD license and GPL (gtkipmsg)

2001-06-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) > > > Lbh'er zhqqyvat nccyrf naq benatrf. Urer gur pbheg vf gnyxvat nobhg > > gur serr fcrrpu orvat vgfrys n pbclevtug npg bs fcrrpu. > > Could somebody please explain the joke? Why is this rot13'd?

Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs

2001-06-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
"none" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I am not sure I understand the significance of the difference here and what > "issue" I am confusing - perhaps you can enlighten me on your position. > Copyright infringement may occur whether you fail to comply with a license > or whether you breach a contract

Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs

2001-06-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In principle, at least, we should be able to find a basis for agreement, > and go from there. Where to? What exactly is served by the whole discussion?

Re: Combining proprietary code and GPL for in-house use

2001-06-21 Thread none
This is not legal advice. No lawyer-client relationship is hereby established. etc etc. - Original Message - From: "Richard Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 6:43 PM Subject: Q: Combining proprietary code and GPL for in-house use > My program works well

Re: Q: Combining proprietary code and GPL for in-house use

2001-06-21 Thread none
- Original Message - From: "Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 10:39 AM Subject: Re: Q: Combining proprietary code and GPL for in-house use [snip] > > Of course, we're talking only about U.S. law here. The relevant laws in > > other jurisdictions

Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs

2001-06-21 Thread none
- Original Message - From: "Thomas Bushnell, BSG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Chloe Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:06 PM Subject: Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs > "Chloe Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I don't see how "contract issues are entirel

Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs

2001-06-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 02:54:00PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > When I first read Young's clause, my impression was that it meant to > apply to derived works, so one could not produce a GPL'd varient of > OpenSSL. I do not know if this is truly the case. Its main purpose appears to be an expressi

Q: Combining proprietary code and GPL for in-house use

2001-06-21 Thread Richard Stallman
My program works well without the GPL library. Now if I sell this program, and add a module that the customer may link with the GPL library, would I violate the GPL of the library, and why ? No court has ruled on this, but the FSF position is that this would violate the GPL. The GPL w

Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs

2001-06-21 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 07:12:01AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > I daresay that I, Aaron, and a number of other regulars here (and on > license-discuss@opensource.org) are familiar enough with the usual sort > of copyright law, and how licensing operates as a legal mechanism under > it, to see that Yo

Re: Question about the old BSD license and GPL (gtkipmsg)

2001-06-21 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) > Lbh'er zhqqyvat nccyrf naq benatrf. Urer gur pbheg vf gnyxvat nobhg > gur serr fcrrpu orvat vgfrys n pbclevtug npg bs fcrrpu. Could somebody please explain the joke? Why is this rot13'd? -- Henning Makholm "Nee

Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs

2001-06-21 Thread Raul Miller
> > Well I think I know a little bit of law as an attorney. I hoped I was > > providing useful information. I'd be happy to go away if you prefer. On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 11:06:35AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > You seem out of your depth here. A tax attorney, for example, may be > exceedi

Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs

2001-06-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
"Chloe Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't see how "contract issues are entirely moot". Certainly at > least the terms of the license must be interpreted to determine if > they are complied with. AFAIK copyright law does not deal with such > issues. Rather contract law has a long establ

Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs

2001-06-21 Thread Chloe Hoffman
This is not legal advice. No lawyer-client relationship is established. etc etc From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) To: "Chloe Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: debian-legal@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs Date: 21 Jun 2001 09:48:34 -0700 "Chloe Hoffman" <[EM

Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs

2001-06-21 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi, On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 05:49:42PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Mark Wielaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > It not only has the obnoxious advertising clauses, but it also has the > > Apache style "trademark" clauses (Products derived from this software may > > not be called [some

Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs

2001-06-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
"Chloe Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > An additional basis for the clause is to turn a default rule into a > breach of contract/license issue, which can have different thresholds > of proof, elements of breach, etc. than relying on copyright > infringement. Though it's a public license, so

Re: Question about the old BSD license and GPL (gtkipmsg)

2001-06-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
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Re: Question about the old BSD license and GPL (gtkipmsg)

2001-06-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
"Chloe Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > By this distinction are you suggesting that all clauses that cause the > licensee to forego rights are unenforceable e.g. limitation of > liability? I would not think too many open source developers would be > happy with that scenario. Aren't they all

Re: Question about the old BSD license and GPL (gtkipmsg)

2001-06-21 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 11:12:58AM -0400, Chloe Hoffman wrote: > If we're talking about enforcement of copyright in a court > of law, then I would note, as summarized by Eugene Volokh > (http://www.law.ucla.edu/faculty/volokh/copyinj.htm#IIA): > > In Harper & Row, Publishers, Inc. v. Nation Enterpr

Re: Question about the old BSD license and GPL (gtkipmsg)

2001-06-21 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 11:12:58AM -0400, Chloe Hoffman wrote: > If we're talking about enforcement of copyright in a court of law, then I > would note, as summarized by Eugene Volokh > (http://www.law.ucla.edu/faculty/volokh/copyinj.htm#IIA): > > In Harper & Row, Publishers, Inc. v. Nation Ente

Re: Question about the old BSD license and GPL (gtkipmsg)

2001-06-21 Thread Chloe Hoffman
This is not legal advice. No lawyer-client relationship is established. etc etc From: Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Chloe Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], debian-legal@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Question about the old BSD license and GPL (gtkipmsg) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2

Re: Q: Combining proprietary code and GPL for in-house use

2001-06-21 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Chloe Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >This is what I thought. So contributory infringement is not relevant > >here. By ordering us to read up about contributory infringement, I > >think Raul is trying to deliberately waste our time! :-) > > Certainly Raul is not wasting our time. It is a valid is

Re: Question about the old BSD license and GPL (gtkipmsg)

2001-06-21 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 08:59:52AM -0400, Chloe Hoffman wrote: > I fail to see the "first amendment" reasons. Violation of the First > Amendment to the U.S. Constitution typically requires state action. > To me this is a contract matter between private parties - I don't see > state action. Enforce

Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs

2001-06-21 Thread Chloe Hoffman
This is not legal advice. No lawyer-client relationship is established. etc. etc. From: Rick Moen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-legal@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:12:01 -0700 [Aaron Lehmann kindly posted my private comment to him that Eric

Re: Q: Combining proprietary code and GPL for in-house use

2001-06-21 Thread Chloe Hoffman
This is not legal advice. No lawyer-client relationship is established. etc. etc. From: Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-legal@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Q: Combining proprietary code and GPL for in-house use Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:27:57 +0100 none <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs

2001-06-21 Thread Rick Moen
[Aaron Lehmann kindly posted my private comment to him that Eric A. Young's no-relicensing clause in his OpenSSL code is, as Aaron articulately puts it, "a no-op".] begin Anthony Towns quotation: > I specifically asked RMS about this in private mail before bringing up > this thread: he indicated

Re: Question about the old BSD license and GPL (gtkipmsg)

2001-06-21 Thread Chloe Hoffman
This is not legal advice. No lawyer-client relationship is established. etc. etc. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) To: "none" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: Subject: Re: Question about the old BSD license and GPL (gtkipmsg) Date: 20 Jun 2001 20:04:21 -0700 "none" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: Q: Combining proprietary code and GPL for in-house use

2001-06-21 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
none <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > ("[T]here can be no contributory infringement by a > defendant without direct infringement by another.") > Henning's point which I believe is a valid one is that an end-user needs to > infringe in order for someone else to be found a contributory infringer. If > the en