Re: Source code with no (explicit) licence

2000-10-16 Thread Joseph Carter
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 02:17:21PM -0400, Brian Ristuccia wrote: > > > My gut feeling is that a non-licence remains no licence -- and that, if > > > it were ever proposed for Debian (which it hasn't been), it would end up > > > in non-free following the "err on the side of caution" principle. > >

Re: Source code with no (explicit) licence

2000-10-16 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 02:17:21PM -0400, Brian Ristuccia wrote: > Can anyone name a good replacement that can do Maildir delivery and doesn't > run tons of stuff as root? Any MTA which supports procmail can do Maildir delivery. Postfix has an architecture vaguely reminiscent of qmail, and can d

Re: Source code with no (explicit) licence

2000-10-16 Thread Brian Ristuccia
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 05:19:41AM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 01:49:41AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > My gut feeling is that a non-licence remains no licence -- and that, if > > it were ever proposed for Debian (which it hasn't been), it would end up > > in non-free follow

Re: Source code with no (explicit) licence

2000-10-16 Thread Raul Miller
> > That said, this is a bit off-topic for this list. On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 10:12:05AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > If so, then numerous licence/legal questions about packages not proposed > for Debian over the past 24 months (and about sundry licences in the > abstract) have been likewise off-topi

Re: Source code with no (explicit) licence

2000-10-16 Thread Rick Moen
begin Raul Miller quotation: > That said, this is a bit off-topic for this list. If so, then numerous licence/legal questions about packages not proposed for Debian over the past 24 months (and about sundry licences in the abstract) have been likewise off-topic. You might find this thread useful

Re: Source code with no (explicit) licence

2000-10-16 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 09:15:28AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > But I know of no statutory or case law that _says so_, and I am not a > copyright attorney. Um... djb's page on this issue[1] references 17 usc 117[2]. That said, this is a bit off-topic for this list. Thanks, -- Raul [1] http://cr.

Re: Source code with no (explicit) licence

2000-10-16 Thread David Starner
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 09:15:28AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Some of the resulting questions are unclear to me, even in USA copyright > law, let alone elsewhere: Does Bernstein's posting the file to an > unrestricted public ftp or Web site create implicit general licence to > retrieve the file? I

Re: Source code with no (explicit) licence

2000-10-16 Thread Rick Moen
begin David Starner quotation: > There's no legal question here, no arguments; that's what the law > says. The question, if any, is what licence might be created implicit in the _circumstances_ (see two paragraphs down) of Bernstein's distribution. Although I presumed to raise the issue on debian

Re: Source code with no (explicit) licence

2000-10-16 Thread Rick Moen
begin Joseph Carter quotation: > Your gut feeling is wrong. To reiterate: My gut feeling is that a non-licence remains no licence. My idle afterthought that it would (if proposed) end up in non-free is no doubt wrong, however. It would, as I was suggesting as the main thrust of my argument, h

Re: RTLinux patent

2000-10-16 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 06:45:58PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Furthermore, in regards to the DSFG being limited to copyright > > > restrictions, all I see is: Derived Works The license must allow > > > modifications and derived works, and must allow them to be > > > distributed under the

Re: RTLinux patent

2000-10-16 Thread owinebar
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Raul Miller wrote: > On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 06:45:58PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Furthermore, in regards to the DSFG being limited to copyright > > restrictions, all I see is: Derived Works The license must allow > > modifications and derived works, and must allow th

Re: Source code with no (explicit) licence

2000-10-16 Thread David Starner
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 01:49:41AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > It's also my understanding that, strictly speaking, all rights to a > copyrighted work remain with the author unless otherwise provided. So, > one might argue that a copyrighted source tarball with no licence > wording is unlicenced, pro

Unfulfillable licence terms

2000-10-16 Thread Michael Piefel
Hello all, The program LGrind has a licensing issue which has troubled me a lot. On the one hand, the source code bears a complete BSD licence (all four paragraphs). This probably comes from vgrind, an old UNIX tool. Further down one of the many authors, Van Jacobson, writes the following: "This

Re: RTLinux patent

2000-10-16 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 06:45:58PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Furthermore, in regards to the DSFG being limited to copyright > restrictions, all I see is: Derived Works The license must allow > modifications and derived works, and must allow them to be distributed > under the same terms as t

Re: RTLinux patent

2000-10-16 Thread Jens Müller
- Original Message - From: "Mark Wielaard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 10:44 AM Subject: Re: RTLinux patent > Yes, you are right. I was not completely sure. > I was under the impression that software patents were

Re: RTLinux patent

2000-10-16 Thread Joseph Carter
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 06:45:58PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Fortunately not. Read sections 7 and 8 of the GPL. If a patent prevents > > you from distributing a GPL'd program, you may not do so. The DFSG is > > concerned with Copyright, and so does not apply here as long as the DFSG >

Re: RTLinux patent

2000-10-16 Thread owinebar
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 08:31:59AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Fortunately not. Read sections 7 and 8 of the GPL. If a patent prevents > you from distributing a GPL'd program, you may not do so. The DFSG is > concerned with Copyright, and so d

Re: Source code with no (explicit) licence

2000-10-16 Thread Joseph Carter
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 01:49:41AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > My gut feeling is that a non-licence remains no licence -- and that, if > it were ever proposed for Debian (which it hasn't been), it would end up > in non-free following the "err on the side of caution" principle. Your gut feeling is wr

Re: RTLinux patent

2000-10-16 Thread Joseph Carter
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 08:31:59AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This is not compatible with the GPL (or the DSFG, I believe). The > The GPL is about reading, writing, modifying, and distributing software. > It doesn't restrict platform compatibility (or even require functionality > or com

Source code with no (explicit) licence

2000-10-16 Thread Rick Moen
I'm afraid I have to open by uttering some bad words: "Daniel J. Bernstein". There. I've done it. (Sorry about that.) I maintain a list of all known ftp daemons for Linux, at http://linuxmafia.com/pub/linux/security/ftp-daemons , including the licence status of each. (There are 25 of them.

Re: RTLinux patent

2000-10-16 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi, On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 08:23:45AM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > Mark Wielaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > If the patent were only valid in the USA, would it still have to be > > > removed? > > No, but it would be moved to Debian non-US so only 'patent safe' servers > > outside the US

Re: RTLinux patent

2000-10-16 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Mark Wielaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > If the patent were only valid in the USA, would it still have to be > > removed? > No, but it would be moved to Debian non-US so only 'patent safe' servers > outside the USA would carry it. Are you sure? I thought that there was no problem with distributing