Re: Licensing Problems with Debian Packages (Was Re: Copyright lawyers analysis of Andreas Pour's Interpretation)

2000-02-17 Thread Andreas Pour
Raul Miller wrote: > Raul Miller wrote: > > > You can distribute a work under more than one license, so I still don't > > > see why this is an issue. > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 10:24:17AM -0500, Andreas Pour wrote: > > May be true in general, but not w/ the LGPL. Look at Section 3 of the LGPL: >

Re: Licensing Problems with Debian Packages (Was Re: Copyright lawyers analysis of Andreas Pour's Interpretation)

2000-02-17 Thread Raul Miller
Raul Miller wrote: > > You can distribute a work under more than one license, so I still don't > > see why this is an issue. On Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 10:24:17AM -0500, Andreas Pour wrote: > May be true in general, but not w/ the LGPL. Look at Section 3 of the LGPL: > > You may opt to apply th

Re: Heart of the debate

2000-02-17 Thread Andreas Pour
Marc van Leeuwen wrote: > I'll just finish my round of quick shots and then _really_ be gone. > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:02:31 -0500 Andreas Pour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Marc van Leeuwen wrote: > > > > By contrast GPL (as I read it) simply requires that the all permissions to > > > third

Re: KDE not in Debian?

2000-02-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Marc van Leeuwen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > By the way, I assume that Microsoft does not forbid distribution of binaries > for programs that run under MS Windows (that would certainly decrease the > popularity of their platform). Is this because they explicitly gave > permission, or simply beca

Re: KDE not in Debian?

2000-02-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 04:22:27PM -0500, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > In these cases where there are grey areas, I wouldn't really trust our > > > opinions to be all that valid. Just as we might not trust a lawyer's > > > advice on how to implemen

Re: Licensing Problems with Debian Packages (Was Re: Copyright lawyers analysis of Andreas Pour's Interpretation)

2000-02-17 Thread Andreas Pour
Raul Miller wrote: > On Wed, Feb 16, 2000 at 10:42:51PM -0500, Andreas Pour wrote: > > It is relevant b/c, under your reading, to link libc with 'grep', you > > have to license libc under the GPL. So that means the libc distributed > > with Debian is a GPL libc, not an LGPL libc (ignoring for the

Re: Heart of the debate

2000-02-17 Thread Marc van Leeuwen
I'll just finish my round of quick shots and then _really_ be gone. On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:02:31 -0500 Andreas Pour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marc van Leeuwen wrote: > > By contrast GPL (as I read it) simply requires that the all permissions to > > third parties set forth in the GPL (but not

Re: Fwd: Re: Heart of the debate

2000-02-17 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Feb 16, 2000 at 11:07:28AM +1100, Don Sanders wrote: ... > > > It is not until Section 3 is reached where under your interpretation (but > > > not > > > mine) the Program is redefined to be the complete source code that there > > > is a > > > problem. > > > > I disagree with this point.

Re: Licensing Problems with Debian Packages (Was Re: Copyright lawyers analysis of Andreas Pour's Interpretation)

2000-02-17 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Feb 16, 2000 at 10:42:51PM -0500, Andreas Pour wrote: > It is relevant b/c, under your reading, to link libc with 'grep', you > have to license libc under the GPL. So that means the libc distributed > with Debian is a GPL libc, not an LGPL libc (ignoring for the moment > that Debian does no

Re: Fwd: Re: Heart of the debate

2000-02-17 Thread Don Sanders
On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Raul Miller wrote: > On Wed, Feb 16, 2000 at 11:07:28AM +1100, Don Sanders wrote: > > After thinking about the the work based on the Program issue some more I've > > decided everything I wrote originally is correct. Any response would be > > appreciated. > ... > >> If you defin

Re: Heart of the debate

2000-02-17 Thread Don Sanders
On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Marc van Leeuwen wrote: > The problem with reading the GPL this way is that it systematically uses this > phrase when the rest of the GPL (or the designated part) does NOT explicitly > treat the subject of "under the terms" (in some cases: explicitly not). This > is most clear

Re: Licensing Problems with Debian Packages (Was Re: Copyright lawyers analysis of Andreas Pour's Interpretation)

2000-02-17 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Feb 16, Andreas Pour wrote: > It is relevant b/c, under your reading, to link libc with 'grep', you have > to license libc under the GPL. So that means the libc distributed with > Debian is a GPL libc, not an LGPL libc (ignoring for the moment that Debian > does not in fact do the conversion).

Re: Licensing Problems with Debian Packages (Was Re: Copyright lawyers analysis of Andreas Pour's Interpretation)

2000-02-17 Thread Andreas Pour
Raul Miller wrote: > On Wed, Feb 16, 2000 at 11:53:06AM -0500, Andreas Pour wrote: > > OK, so you admit that the advertising clause conflicts with the > > GPL. Well, that's very interesting, b/c the Apache license (see > > http://www.apache.org/LICENSE.txt, clause 3) includes this provision, > > a

Re: Heart of the debate

2000-02-17 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 08:39:29AM +1100, Don Sanders wrote: > But either way I think we agree the binary isn't licensed under the GPL. I believe I already stated this in another message, but: without a license you're not allowed to distribute the binary. -- Raul

Re: Heart of the debate

2000-02-17 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Feb 16, 2000 at 11:30:31AM +1100, Don Sanders wrote: > Personally I think that it is theoretically possible to license a binary under > the GPL, but I don't think it make much sense to do so, (it's equivalent to > applying the GPL to say a file of raw binary data of rainfall measurements).

Re: Fwd: Re: Heart of the debate

2000-02-17 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Feb 16, 2000 at 11:07:28AM +1100, Don Sanders wrote: > After thinking about the the work based on the Program issue some more I've > decided everything I wrote originally is correct. Any response would be > appreciated. ... > If you define the work as I have then reading through the terms o