Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation o

1999-11-30 Thread Ben Pfaff
Seth David Schoen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Caspian writes: > > > On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > > > > This trend concerns me, too, but if you want to stop them, you will need > > > to show why what they are doing is not only nasty but also illegal. > > > > > > Remember t

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation o

1999-11-30 Thread Seth David Schoen
Caspian writes: > On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > > This trend concerns me, too, but if you want to stop them, you will need > > to show why what they are doing is not only nasty but also illegal. > > > > Remember that the DFSG _prohibits_ licenses from forbidding the use of >

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation o

1999-11-30 Thread Caspian
On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > This trend concerns me, too, but if you want to stop them, you will need > to show why what they are doing is not only nasty but also illegal. > > Remember that the DFSG _prohibits_ licenses from forbidding the use of > non-free software in a distri

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation o

1999-11-30 Thread Seth David Schoen
[Apologies to anyone who no longer wants to be on this Cc: list -- I'll take future follow-ups to debian-legal only, unless anyone asks to keep receiving them.] Caspian writes: > On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > > > Previously Martin Schulze wrote: > > > We are told that the instal

Re: VMware in non-free

1999-11-30 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On Sun, Nov 28, 1999 at 02:00:25PM +0200, Tommi Virtanen wrote: > > Please have a look at http://www.vmware.com/ and help me > > decide if we can distribute VMware in non-free, or only as an > > installer package. I currently think w

Re: Copyright Office Notice on Anti-Circumvention (fwd)

1999-11-30 Thread Seth David Schoen
Lynn Winebarger writes: >I thought this notice is important for free software developers (in > particular) to be aware of. My hope is that this clause of the DMCA will > be struck down by the courts as overreaching the powers of Congress, but > we should be letting the library of congress kno

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation o

1999-11-30 Thread Seth David Schoen
Caspian writes: > On 30 Nov 1999, Henning Makholm wrote: > > > Caspian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > But in Corel's case, they're taking a whole bundle of free software, > > > making a little smidgen of free software themselves, adding some > > > non-free software, then saying: > > [..]

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation o

1999-11-30 Thread Caspian
On 30 Nov 1999, Henning Makholm wrote: > Caspian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > But in Corel's case, they're taking a whole bundle of free software, > > making a little smidgen of free software themselves, adding some > > non-free software, then saying: > [..] > > * GPL? What GPL? I see n

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation o

1999-11-30 Thread Henning Makholm
Caspian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But in Corel's case, they're taking a whole bundle of free software, > making a little smidgen of free software themselves, adding some > non-free software, then saying: [..] > * GPL? What GPL? I see no mention of the GPL in our license... Excuse me, b

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation o

1999-11-30 Thread Caspian
On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Martin Schulze wrote: > > We are told that the installation routine is free software. Though, > > only stubs have been made available, iirc. > > If you go to ftp.corel.com and browse around you'll find the complete > sources. Here's my r

Copyright Office Notice on Anti-Circumvention (fwd)

1999-11-30 Thread Lynn Winebarger
I thought this notice is important for free software developers (in particular) to be aware of. My hope is that this clause of the DMCA will be struck down by the courts as overreaching the powers of Congress, but we should be letting the library of congress know there are legitimate fair use

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation of the GPL

1999-11-30 Thread Gavriel State
Richard Stallman wrote: > >I'm including the full text below. What I find particularly odious is > not the exclusion of minors (though it is odious), but the contention (as > usual in purported EULAs) that Corel still retains title to the copy of > the software downloaded, wh

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation o

1999-11-30 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Martin Schulze wrote: > We are told that the installation routine is free software. Though, > only stubs have been made available, iirc. If you go to ftp.corel.com and browse around you'll find the complete sources. Wichert. --

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation o

1999-11-30 Thread Martin Schulze
Richard Stallman wrote: > What bothers me with Corel is not them using Debian, but rather they fact > that > they gave nothing back to us or the community. Not code, time, or money. > > What Corel-written programs are in the distribution, and what are > their licenses? Are any of them f

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation of the GPL

1999-11-30 Thread Seth David Schoen
Richard Stallman writes: > Putting GPL-covered programs together with non-free programs in a > collection such as an operating system does not violate the GPL, and > Corel is not the first to do this. I think this is a harmful practice, > and that even Debian goes too far in this direction, but t

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation of the GPL

1999-11-30 Thread Richard Stallman
I'm including the full text below. What I find particularly odious is not the exclusion of minors (though it is odious), but the contention (as usual in purported EULAs) that Corel still retains title to the copy of the software downloaded, whether it's under GPL or not. That c

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation of the GPL

1999-11-30 Thread Richard Stallman
Putting GPL-covered programs together with non-free programs in a collection such as an operating system does not violate the GPL, and Corel is not the first to do this. I think this is a harmful practice, and that even Debian goes too far in this direction, but there is no use singling out Corel