Re: Werken Public License

1999-06-13 Thread Tommi Virtanen
[Short summary: it's not Open Source, but still claims to be] On Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 04:00:29PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: > This is probably another "means well but needs some license education" case. So, is anyone official willing to spend the few minutes to write an email to t

Re: Question about licensing

1999-06-13 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > (1) Programs that use other programs are derivative. Yes. In general, operating systems come with licenses that allow you to use their publicly-exported APIs without that use being considered a derived work. But they make that _choice_ when they license their

Re: Werken Public License

1999-06-13 Thread Bruce Perens
I agree with your call on the DFSG #9 violation, it's not currently Open Source. > From: Brian Ristuccia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * You may not distribute a modified version of this software without >providing source code. Doesn't violate DFSG #2 _or_its_intent_. This clause is

Re: GPL: what does redistribution mean?

1999-06-13 Thread James Mastros
On Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 01:41:51PM -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > Up to a certain degree, I'm sure some people will have interest in extending > and modifying the program for their own research. Let's say some research > group finds my codebase useful, and extend it into a direction I haven't

Re: Werken Public License

1999-06-13 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Tommi Virtanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "You may not redistribute it with other software which is not free." You shouldn't even have to ask :-) To quote the OSD: 9. License Must Not Contaminate Other Software. The license must not place restrictions on other software that is distributed along

Re: Question about licensing

1999-06-13 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Brian Ristuccia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What about folks developing Microsoft Windows apps with djgpp or cygwin32? Microsoft's application license explicitly prohibits you from running their applications on a non-Microsoft operating system. If they wanted to prohibit certain classes of applic

Re: Question about licensing

1999-06-13 Thread Ben Pfaff
Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: From: Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The Microsoft C library source is licensed for incorporation into > applications, but Microsoft OSes are not. Before you make your final assertion of this datum, can you provide us with a copy of the MS

Re: Werken Public License

1999-06-13 Thread Brian Ristuccia
On Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 11:00:25PM +0300, Tommi Virtanen wrote: > [Please Cc: me, I'm not subscribed to this list] > > Hi. I'm pondering on packaging bake > (http://bake.werken.com/), but I'm not sure > how it's license relates to the DFSG. > > If you could

Werken Public License

1999-06-13 Thread Tommi Virtanen
[Please Cc: me, I'm not subscribed to this list] Hi. I'm pondering on packaging bake (http://bake.werken.com/), but I'm not sure how it's license relates to the DFSG. If you could please take a look at http://bake.werken.com/dox/licensing.html

Re: Question about licensing

1999-06-13 Thread Brian Ristuccia
On Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 11:50:31AM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: > From: Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The Microsoft C library source is licensed for incorporation into > > applications, but Microsoft OSes are not. > > Before you make your final assertion of this datum, can you provide us with >

Re: Question about licensing

1999-06-13 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The Microsoft C library source is licensed for incorporation into > applications, but Microsoft OSes are not. Before you make your final assertion of this datum, can you provide us with a copy of the MS Windows license and the MSVC license? I'd bet that somewh

Re: Question about licensing

1999-06-13 Thread Bruce Perens
From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Copyright is concerned with the making of copies, not "threads of control". A unique aspect of software is that a derived work can be produced for automatic assembly by the consumer. The derived work contains a set of instructions to be executed by the custo

Re: Question about licensing

1999-06-13 Thread Ben Pfaff
Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: From: Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > And if someone writes a single-purpose GUI shell for the networking > code in a certain proprietary desktop OS (to pick a completly random > name, suppose the fancy GUI shell was called 'Netscape'), it

Re: Question about licensing

1999-06-13 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > And if someone writes a single-purpose GUI shell for the networking > code in a certain proprietary desktop OS (to pick a completly random > name, suppose the fancy GUI shell was called 'Netscape'), it should > be considered a deriviative work of said pro

Re: Question about licensing

1999-06-13 Thread John Hasler
Bruce Perens writes: > In contrast, when one piece of software calls into another, you can trace > the thread of control from one work into another, and a significant part > of the called work, perhaps all of it, is processed. Copyright is concerned with the making of copies, not "threads of contr