Re: cfs??? (fwd)

1999-04-20 Thread Raul Miller
Technically, the U.S. is in a state of emergency. That gives the President the right to control the export of munitions. Cryptographic software is classified as munitions. Note: it's not classified as the >>design<< for munitions it's classified as >>munitions<<. So, if CFS was exported from th

Re: cfs??? (fwd)

1999-04-20 Thread Chris Leishman
- Message from Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - On Wed, Apr 21, 1999 at 01:31:26AM +1000, Chris Leishman wrote: > Also - in my research of the program it came to my notice that this code > should never have been released from the US (it was developed there). Now > that is out of the U

Re: APSL 1.1

1999-04-20 Thread Raul Miller
Chip Salzenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've never even suggested that the GPL isn't viable. But even viable > or excellent licenses may have flaws that other licences address. And > the nature and likelihood of legal threats varies over time. Sure, but if there's some reason that apple's dra

Re: APSL 1.1

1999-04-20 Thread Chip Salzenberg
According to Raul Miller: > Frankly, if the GPL isn't a viable example of a free software > license then there are no viable examples of a free software > license, and we might as well not pursue this discussion. I've never even suggested that the GPL isn't viable. But even viable or excellent li

Re: APSL 1.1

1999-04-20 Thread Raul Miller
Chip Salzenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Do you have a lawyer's professional opinion on that approach? I should also note that I don't buy into the idea that law is beyond the understanding of an intelligent person. If someone makes a statement about the way a court is likely to decide ther

Re: APSL 1.1

1999-04-20 Thread Raul Miller
> According to Raul Miller: > > > > > > [0] There is no distinction between bogus claims and > > > > > > reasonable claims. > > > > > > [2] There is no guarantee that a court will ever be involved > > > > > > or that it will make a judgment. > > > > > > [3] There

Re: APSL 1.1

1999-04-20 Thread Chip Salzenberg
According to Raul Miller: > > > > > [0] There is no distinction between bogus claims and > > > > > reasonable claims. > > > > > [2] There is no guarantee that a court will ever be involved > > > > > or that it will make a judgment. > > > > > [3] There is no

Re: APSL 1.1

1999-04-20 Thread Raul Miller
> > > > [0] There is no distinction between bogus claims and > > > > reasonable claims. > > > > [2] There is no guarantee that a court will ever be involved > > > > or that it will make a judgment. > > > > [3] There is no guarantee that Apple will eve

ilu-base: ILU's license has changed. It's free now.

1999-04-20 Thread Rob Browning
Package: ilu-base Version: 2.0.0.12-5 Severity: wishlist [ I'm not on debian-legal, so please cc me if I need to be involved. The original message was also cc'ed to bugs and Matthias Klose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> too. You don't see that because I goofed and sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] which b

Re: APSL 1.1

1999-04-20 Thread Chip Salzenberg
According to Raul Miller: > > > [0] There is no distinction between bogus claims and > > > reasonable claims. > > > [2] There is no guarantee that a court will ever be involved > > > or that it will make a judgment. > > > [3] There is no guarantee that Apple will ever

Re: APSL 1.1

1999-04-20 Thread Raul Miller
> > [0] There is no distinction between bogus claims and > > reasonable claims. > > [2] There is no guarantee that a court will ever be involved > > or that it will make a judgment. > > [3] There is no guarantee that Apple will ever lift the > > suspe

Re: [taupin@lps.u-psud.fr: Re: MusiXTeX T.75 on Debian GNU/Linux]

1999-04-20 Thread John Hasler
Zygo Blaxell writes: > There's a giant hole in this. Most homebrew free software licenses don't do what the authors think they do. As long as they are free I don't worry about it. I see no need to point out to authors that their work is being protected from exploitation by evil profiteering corp

Re: APSL 1.1

1999-04-20 Thread Chip Salzenberg
According to Ben Pfaff: > Chip Salzenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Ben: > > > [0] There is no distinction between bogus claims and > > > reasonable claims. > > > [2] There is no guarantee that a court will ever be involved > > > or that it will make a judgment. >

Re: APSL 1.1

1999-04-20 Thread Ben Pfaff
Chip Salzenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: According to Ben Pfaff: > Maybe you think that the last clause in that paragraph, ``If Apple > suspends Your rights... nothing in this License shall be construed to > restrict You... from replacing the Affected Original Code...'', means >

Re: APSL 1.1

1999-04-20 Thread Chip Salzenberg
According to Ben Pfaff: > Maybe you think that the last clause in that paragraph, ``If Apple > suspends Your rights... nothing in this License shall be construed to > restrict You... from replacing the Affected Original Code...'', means > that you have some additional rights. No, I don't think tha

Re: APSL 1.1

1999-04-20 Thread Ben Pfaff
Chip Salzenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: According to John Hasler: > This is improved, but it still allows revocation on the basis of a > mere allegation of infringement. I could send a letter to Apple > claiming that the Original Code infringes the copyright on the term > paper

APSL 1.1

1999-04-20 Thread Chip Salzenberg
According to John Hasler: > This is improved, but it still allows revocation on the basis of a > mere allegation of infringement. I could send a letter to Apple > claiming that the Original Code infringes the copyright on the term > paper I wrote for Anthro 101 in 1967 and it would be grounds for

Re: [brian@hyperreal.org: APSL 1.1 available for comment.]

1999-04-20 Thread John Hasler
Henning Makholm writes: > Are anyone resending these comments to the OSI mailing list mentioned? I'm not, but feel free to forward mine. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI

Re: MusiXTeX's license

1999-04-20 Thread John Hasler
Henning writes: > I thought that the Artistic was let in by the fact that if I sell a copy > of perl I get to decide myself if the price I take is fair enough to be > allowed by the licence? I believe that this was not understood when the DFSG was written. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John H

Re: [taupin@lps.u-psud.fr: Re: MusiXTeX T.75 on Debian GNU/Linux]

1999-04-20 Thread Zygo Blaxell
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Anthony Fok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >- Forwarded message from Daniel TAUPIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - >Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 19:23:54 -0700 >From: Daniel TAUPIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Anthony Fok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >[Daniel Taupin:] >> > Exact: MusiXT

Re: MusiXTeX's license

1999-04-20 Thread Henning Makholm
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Henning Makholm writes: > > Hm, double-cheching with the DFSG, it seems that this restriction *is* > > actually considered free. Is this intentional? > It's there to let the Artistic in. I thought that the Artistic was let in by the fact that if I sell a

Re: [brian@hyperreal.org: APSL 1.1 available for comment.]

1999-04-20 Thread Henning Makholm
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ben Pfaff writes: > > The URL to the APSL 1.1 is at > > http://publicsource.apple.com/apsl/ > > Still not acceptable: > > [revocation clause] > I agree. Are anyone resending these comments to the OSI mailing list mentioned? -- Henning Makholm

Re: [brian@hyperreal.org: APSL 1.1 available for comment.]

1999-04-20 Thread John Hasler
Ben Pfaff writes: > The URL to the APSL 1.1 is at > http://publicsource.apple.com/apsl/ > Still not acceptable: > [revocation clause] I agree. This is improved, but it still allows revocation on the basis of a mere allegation of infringement. I could send a letter to Apple claiming that the Or