Re: Mgetty should be in non-free?

1999-01-27 Thread Henning Makholm
Brian Ristuccia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The license saying "don't make profit directly out of selling mgetty" has no > bearing on the right the license already granted to distribute mgetty, since > you don't have the right to sell mgetty itself in the first place. > Don't say "but the user

Re: Mgetty should be in non-free?

1999-01-27 Thread Brian Ristuccia
On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 06:14:51PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > Brian Ristuccia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > What is the difference between "charge a fee for the physical act of > > > transferring a copy" and "sell a copy"? > > > To sell a copy is to give the recipient all rights to the

Re: Mgetty should be in non-free?

1999-01-27 Thread John Hasler
Brian Ristuccia writes: > To sell a copy is to give the recipient all rights to the software. The > result would be that the person you sold the software to would own it. Go into a bookstore, pick up a copy of a book, take it over to the salesclerk and say "Will you sell me this copy?". The cler

Re: Intent to package: olex

1999-01-27 Thread Shaleh
I decided not to package or help this project because of the original license -- "either GPL your code or dont use Olex". The author is a good guy and is just trying to promote free software and make sure his work is not used to make proprietary software. I think this license is free enough. The

Re: Intent to package: olex

1999-01-27 Thread Lalo Martins
[#include ] Shaleh hinted that I might want to look at the Olex license. It does put some restriction on output - which, differently from the "buttonware" discussion a while ago, seems legitimate to me since Olex output is full of code written by the Olex author. So, this is the actual LICENSE.GEN

Re: Mgetty should be in non-free?

1999-01-27 Thread Jules Bean
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Edward John M. Brocklesby wrote: > Ysgrifennodd Jules Bean ar Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 11:33:08PM +: > > On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Edward John M. Brocklesby wrote: > > > > > goodies on a CD-ROM collection or whatever, but if you sell @code{mgetty} > > > bundled with a faxmodem as

Re: Mgetty should be in non-free?

1999-01-27 Thread Henning Makholm
Brian Ristuccia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > What is the difference between "charge a fee for the physical act of > > transferring a copy" and "sell a copy"? > To sell a copy is to give the recipient all rights to the software. An interesting interpretation. This would mean the Microsoft are

Re: Mgetty should be in non-free?

1999-01-27 Thread John Hasler
Henning Makholm writes: > What is the difference between "charge a fee for the physical act of > transferring a copy" and "sell a copy"? > I can choose to give you a copy of, say, gcc. I can choose not to. I can > promise you that I'll choose to give you a copy if you give me money in > return. Am

Re: Mgetty should be in non-free?

1999-01-27 Thread Brian Ristuccia
On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 03:23:11PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > --- > > You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and > > you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee. > > -- > > > This is the only m

Re: Mgetty should be in non-free?

1999-01-27 Thread John Hasler
Jules Bean writes: > Indeed the artistic and GPL make the same restriction. I wrote: > The GPL does not make any such restriction. The Artistic does include a > similar one, but converts it to a request in the definitions. Jules Bean quotes from the GPL: > You may charge a fee for the physical a

Re: Mgetty should be in non-free?

1999-01-27 Thread Henning Makholm
Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > --- > You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and > you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee. > -- > This is the only mention of fees in the main portion of the text. Since > it doesn't give permissi

Re: Mgetty should be in non-free?

1999-01-27 Thread Jules Bean
On 26 Jan 1999, John Hasler wrote: > > Indeed the artistic and GPL make the same restriction. > > The GPL does not make any such restriction. The Artistic does include a > similar one, but converts it to a request in the definitions. --- You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring

Re: Mgetty should be in non-free?

1999-01-27 Thread John Hasler
Jules Bean writes: > There is no problem with the payment details. True. > Indeed the artistic and GPL make the same restriction. The GPL does not make any such restriction. The Artistic does include a similar one, but converts it to a request in the definitions. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: Mgetty should be in non-free?

1999-01-27 Thread Henning Makholm
Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I believe this does not meet the DSFG. > There is no problem with the payment details. Indeed the artistic and GPL > make the same restriction. I think the parts that make it non DFSG-free are | if you sell @code{mgetty} bundled with a faxmodem as ``u

Re: Mgetty should be in non-free?

1999-01-27 Thread Ben Pfaff
Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: There is no problem with the payment details. Indeed the artistic and GPL make the same restriction. However, this doesn't give permission to modify. Does some other file give this permission? Yes, the complete license was not quoted. -- "...In