Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Drew Parsons
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > I would like to package 'laptop' or somthing similar. Install this package > and > you get a group of depends/suggests/recommends. I have mentioned this in the > past. Never got anywhere. > > In the same vein, working on the boot floppies it should not be hard to a

Re: Missing Time (There be Aliens?)

1999-09-01 Thread Nathan Duehr
Drew, If you want some help getting NTP to work, let me know. It's very accurate, usually requires that you run the hardware clock in GMT (I've never gotten it to work any other way...?), and if your system clock is (insert unknown SMALL value here... it's in the man page) off from the NTP serve

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Nathan Duehr
Drew, Is the #2 CD set up for "tecra" images or "safe" slow SYSLINUX images? I couldn't find the reference in the docs (it's late here and I'm sleepy... probably would have bit me if it were alive...) as to which one CD #2 is built for, but there are differences between those. There's also tec

Re: Suspend Mode

1999-09-01 Thread Russell Coker
>From the page: > >http://gamgee.acad.emich.edu/~roth/EXTENSA/suspend.html > >I got the command: > > hdparm -m16 -c1 -u1 /dev/hda > >Which enabled suspend to disk on my Mitsubshi Amity. I've >no idea if it will help you on your machine. I expect that the -m16 has no impact. The -u1 (unmasking

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I hope you decide to keep this discussion here. It seems very >apropriate for this forum and I for one am interested in it. > >One thing I would like to see when installing Debian on a laptop >would be a series of setups that optimise for low power con

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Werner Heuser
Drew Parsons schrieb: > > Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > > I would like to package 'laptop' or somthing similar. Install this package > > and > > you get a group of depends/suggests/recommends. I have mentioned this in > > the > > past. Never got anywhere. > > > > In the same vein, working o

Re: Missing Time (There be Aliens?)

1999-09-01 Thread Stefan W.M. Frank
Hi, I have been using different flavours of Linux on all sorts of laptops, but there was never (well, hardly ever ;--) a problem with clock times or suspend modes, when a) the kernel was build supporting power management b) an apmd was running, as was pointed out by different people on this list,

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Russell Coker
>> One thing I would like to see when installing Debian on a laptop would >> be a series of setups that optimise for low power consumption such as >> increased intervals between syncs etc. > >i'd like to see apm work "out of the box" too. can anyone explain to me why >apm isn't available as a kern

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tuesday 31 August 1999, at 11 h 0, the keyboard of Adam Shand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i'd like to see apm work "out of the box" too. can anyone explain to me why > apm isn't available as a kernel module? Probably because there are many host-specific options, which have to be choosen a

Re: Missing Time (There be Aliens?)

1999-09-01 Thread Drew Parsons
Nathan Duehr wrote: > If you want some help getting NTP to work, let me know. Thanks for your offer. Actually, it's seems to be working now! (this always happens to me. I think there must be some daemon in my computer palying tricks on me) The reason I thought it wasn't was that I tried to c

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tuesday 31 August 1999, at 22 h 28, the keyboard of Werner Heuser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a drop-in replacement for the standard "update" daemon > that is specially tailored for notebooks to reduce > unnecessary hard disk spin-ups. ... > If we think this program is worth to be

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tuesday 31 August 1999, at 15 h 19, the keyboard of "Sean 'Shaleh' Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > access. Who uses atime on a laptop anyway. > > Besides, replaces in updated in debian will be a serious pain. No, with Debian's diversions, it is very easy.

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread MallarJ
In a message dated 9/1/99 4:42:43 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > i'd like to see apm work "out of the box" too. can anyone explain to me > why > > apm isn't available as a kernel module? > > Probably because there are many host-specific options, which have to be >

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
The bz patch was not accepted in the kernel. This usually means it was a bad idea. As to the messed up slink, I always boot laptops w/ floppies. Yes I know we need to fix this. Hopefully we will. But not in slink.

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 01-Sep-99 Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Tuesday 31 August 1999, at 15 h 19, the keyboard of "Sean 'Shaleh' Perry" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> access. Who uses atime on a laptop anyway. >> >> Besides, replaces in updated in debian will be a serious pain. > > No, with Debian's diver

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> AFAIK Debian can be installed fine without APM support so it's not needed on > boot disks. > Exactly, we will simply provide kernel-image-laptop-?.?.?

Re: Missing Time (There be Aliens?)

1999-09-01 Thread Nathan Duehr
Hi Drew, /etc/init.d/xntpd stop for temporary shutdowns... Uninstall the packge to stop it for good! :) Not enough info to answer the other question. On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Drew Parsons wrote: > Nathan Duehr wrote: > > > If you want some help getting NTP to work, let me know. > > Thanks for y

XF86Config for T4500C?

1999-09-01 Thread Danny Heap
Can anybody help me configure X for this laptop? I've gleaned the following from www.toshiba.com: Card/chipset: WD90C31 resolution: 640x480 (internal) Mouse: PS/2 What I don't have is any information about horizontal or vertical refr

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Werner Heuser
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry schrieb: > > > AFAIK Debian can be installed fine without APM support so it's not needed on > > boot disks. > > > > Exactly, we will simply provide kernel-image-laptop-?.?.? Yes, and not mixing with the current installation kernels and methods at this time. :-> werner

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Drew Parsons
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > I would like to package 'laptop' or somthing similar. Install this package > and > you get a group of depends/suggests/recommends. I have mentioned this in the > past. Never got anywhere. > > In the same vein, working on the boot floppies it should not be hard to a

Re: Missing Time (There be Aliens?)

1999-09-01 Thread Nathan Duehr
Drew, If you want some help getting NTP to work, let me know. It's very accurate, usually requires that you run the hardware clock in GMT (I've never gotten it to work any other way...?), and if your system clock is (insert unknown SMALL value here... it's in the man page) off from the NTP serve

Re: Suspend Mode

1999-09-01 Thread Russell Coker
>From the page: > >http://gamgee.acad.emich.edu/~roth/EXTENSA/suspend.html > >I got the command: > > hdparm -m16 -c1 -u1 /dev/hda > >Which enabled suspend to disk on my Mitsubshi Amity. I've >no idea if it will help you on your machine. I expect that the -m16 has no impact. The -u1 (unmasking

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I hope you decide to keep this discussion here. It seems very >apropriate for this forum and I for one am interested in it. > >One thing I would like to see when installing Debian on a laptop >would be a series of setups that optimise for low power con

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Werner Heuser
Drew Parsons schrieb: > > Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > > I would like to package 'laptop' or somthing similar. Install this package > > and > > you get a group of depends/suggests/recommends. I have mentioned this in > > the > > past. Never got anywhere. > > > > In the same vein, working o

Re: Missing Time (There be Aliens?)

1999-09-01 Thread Stefan W.M. Frank
Hi, I have been using different flavours of Linux on all sorts of laptops, but there was never (well, hardly ever ;--) a problem with clock times or suspend modes, when a) the kernel was build supporting power management b) an apmd was running, as was pointed out by different people on this list,

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Russell Coker
>> One thing I would like to see when installing Debian on a laptop would >> be a series of setups that optimise for low power consumption such as >> increased intervals between syncs etc. > >i'd like to see apm work "out of the box" too. can anyone explain to me why >apm isn't available as a kern

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tuesday 31 August 1999, at 11 h 0, the keyboard of Adam Shand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i'd like to see apm work "out of the box" too. can anyone explain to me why > apm isn't available as a kernel module? Probably because there are many host-specific options, which have to be choosen a

Re: Missing Time (There be Aliens?)

1999-09-01 Thread Drew Parsons
Nathan Duehr wrote: > If you want some help getting NTP to work, let me know. Thanks for your offer. Actually, it's seems to be working now! (this always happens to me. I think there must be some daemon in my computer palying tricks on me) The reason I thought it wasn't was that I tried to c

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tuesday 31 August 1999, at 22 h 28, the keyboard of Werner Heuser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a drop-in replacement for the standard "update" daemon > that is specially tailored for notebooks to reduce > unnecessary hard disk spin-ups. ... > If we think this program is worth to be

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tuesday 31 August 1999, at 15 h 19, the keyboard of "Sean 'Shaleh' Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > access. Who uses atime on a laptop anyway. > > Besides, replaces in updated in debian will be a serious pain. No, with Debian's diversions, it is very easy.

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread MallarJ
In a message dated 9/1/99 4:42:43 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > i'd like to see apm work "out of the box" too. can anyone explain to me > why > > apm isn't available as a kernel module? > > Probably because there are many host-specific options, which have to be >

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
The bz patch was not accepted in the kernel. This usually means it was a bad idea. As to the messed up slink, I always boot laptops w/ floppies. Yes I know we need to fix this. Hopefully we will. But not in slink.

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 01-Sep-99 Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Tuesday 31 August 1999, at 15 h 19, the keyboard of "Sean 'Shaleh' Perry" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> access. Who uses atime on a laptop anyway. >> >> Besides, replaces in updated in debian will be a serious pain. > > No, with Debian's diver

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> AFAIK Debian can be installed fine without APM support so it's not needed on > boot disks. > Exactly, we will simply provide kernel-image-laptop-?.?.?

Re: Missing Time (There be Aliens?)

1999-09-01 Thread Nathan Duehr
Hi Drew, /etc/init.d/xntpd stop for temporary shutdowns... Uninstall the packge to stop it for good! :) Not enough info to answer the other question. On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Drew Parsons wrote: > Nathan Duehr wrote: > > > If you want some help getting NTP to work, let me know. > > Thanks for y

XF86Config for T4500C?

1999-09-01 Thread Danny Heap
Can anybody help me configure X for this laptop? I've gleaned the following from www.toshiba.com: Card/chipset: WD90C31 resolution: 640x480 (internal) Mouse: PS/2 What I don't have is any information about horizontal or vertical refr

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Werner Heuser
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry schrieb: > > > AFAIK Debian can be installed fine without APM support so it's not needed on > > boot disks. > > > > Exactly, we will simply provide kernel-image-laptop-?.?.? Yes, and not mixing with the current installation kernels and methods at this time. :-> werner

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-09-01 Thread Nathan Duehr
Drew, Is the #2 CD set up for "tecra" images or "safe" slow SYSLINUX images? I couldn't find the reference in the docs (it's late here and I'm sleepy... probably would have bit me if it were alive...) as to which one CD #2 is built for, but there are differences between those. There's also tec