Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-26 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 12:34:48AM -0800, Adam Shand wrote: > this is getting a little off topic but ... > > > UUCP isnt complicated. It is completely straigforward and the correct > > solution to multiple-user offline email, which ETRN is NOT an solution. > > i disagree, i think it is. :-) i ha

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-26 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 12:34:48AM -0800, Adam Shand wrote: > this is getting a little off topic but ... > > > UUCP isnt complicated. It is completely straigforward and the correct > > solution to multiple-user offline email, which ETRN is NOT an solution. > > i disagree, i think it is. :-) i ha

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-26 Thread Adam Shand
this is getting a little off topic but ... > UUCP isnt complicated. It is completely straigforward and the correct > solution to multiple-user offline email, which ETRN is NOT an solution. i disagree, i think it is. :-) i have yet to meet someone who isn't already quite technical that has suces

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-26 Thread Adam Shand
this is getting a little off topic but ... > UUCP isnt complicated. It is completely straigforward and the correct > solution to multiple-user offline email, which ETRN is NOT an solution. i disagree, i think it is. :-) i have yet to meet someone who isn't already quite technical that has suces

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-25 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Saturday 25 September 1999, at 16 h 15, the keyboard of Florian Lohoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > much more likely to be needed on a laptop (roaming, vpn, disconnected file > > systems) etc etc. > > But the "normal" laptop user wont to "disconnected file system" things, the > mail case is

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-25 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Saturday 25 September 1999, at 16 h 15, the keyboard of Florian Lohoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > much more likely to be needed on a laptop (roaming, vpn, disconnected file > > systems) etc etc. > > But the "normal" laptop user wont to "disconnected file system" things, the > mail case is

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-25 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 02:01:15PM -0800, Adam Shand wrote: > > This is certainly wrong. My UUCP configuration files, all together, make > > less lines than my sendmail or PPP configuration. But you need a MTA additionally - I am using postfix, bsmtp and uucp together and that setup is more compl

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-25 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 02:01:15PM -0800, Adam Shand wrote: > > This is certainly wrong. My UUCP configuration files, all together, make > > less lines than my sendmail or PPP configuration. But you need a MTA additionally - I am using postfix, bsmtp and uucp together and that setup is more compl

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-25 Thread Mark Brown
On Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 11:02:38PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > beginning and it's quite unlikely that a new comer to the net will even know > > where to find a uucp connection. > Unfortunately, yes, most recent ISP know nothing besides basic DNS, SMTP and > Web hosting (and often not e

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-25 Thread Mark Brown
On Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 11:02:38PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > beginning and it's quite unlikely that a new comer to the net will even know > > where to find a uucp connection. > Unfortunately, yes, most recent ISP know nothing besides basic DNS, SMTP and > Web hosting (and often not e

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-24 Thread Adam Shand
> This is certainly wrong. My UUCP configuration files, all together, make > less lines than my sendmail or PPP configuration. i have watched many new comers to the net struggle with uucp, both first hand and being on the other end of a phone as tech support for them. it hasn't been easy for any

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-24 Thread Adam Shand
> This is certainly wrong. My UUCP configuration files, all together, make > less lines than my sendmail or PPP configuration. i have watched many new comers to the net struggle with uucp, both first hand and being on the other end of a phone as tech support for them. it hasn't been easy for any

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-24 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thursday 23 September 1999, at 22 h 23, the keyboard of Adam Shand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > while i've used uucp for years i would recommend against making a part of > the laptop package. it's quite complicated This is certainly wrong. My UUCP configuration files, all together, make les

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-24 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thursday 23 September 1999, at 22 h 23, the keyboard of Adam Shand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > while i've used uucp for years i would recommend against making a part of > the laptop package. it's quite complicated This is certainly wrong. My UUCP configuration files, all together, make les

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-24 Thread Adam Shand
> > I just keep thinking about how difficult it was to set up a mail server to > > work properly over an intermittent connection. Maybe a special set of docs > > for fetchmail, qmail, smail... ? > > And UUCP! Which I use and love on my laptop. while i've used uucp for years i would recommend ag

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-24 Thread Adam Shand
> > I just keep thinking about how difficult it was to set up a mail server to > > work properly over an intermittent connection. Maybe a special set of docs > > for fetchmail, qmail, smail... ? > > And UUCP! Which I use and love on my laptop. while i've used uucp for years i would recommend ag

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-23 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 09:46:27AM -0700, Matthew Guenther wrote: > I just keep thinking about how difficult it was to set up a mail server to > work properly over an intermittent connection. Maybe a special set of docs > for fetchmail, qmail, smail... ? And UUCP! Which I use and love on my lapt

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-23 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 09:46:27AM -0700, Matthew Guenther wrote: > I just keep thinking about how difficult it was to set up a mail server to > work properly over an intermittent connection. Maybe a special set of docs > for fetchmail, qmail, smail... ? And UUCP! Which I use and love on my lapt

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-22 Thread Russell Coker
>> I am saying that it has no special importance for laptops. If we go down the >> track of dragging everything that is needed for a laptop then we'll soon have >> things like bash included which IMHO is not the aim. The aim is to list all >> things that are laptop specific or that have a special

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-22 Thread Russell Coker
>> I am saying that it has no special importance for laptops. If we go down the >> track of dragging everything that is needed for a laptop then we'll soon have >> things like bash included which IMHO is not the aim. The aim is to list all >> things that are laptop specific or that have a special

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-22 Thread Matthew Guenther
ds of inactivity, like my previous Win95 settings. So I've always thought of it as a power management tool, along with apmd. Would having the laptop-metapackage just suggest or recommend (can't remember which is lower) hdparm, but not depend on it be a better solution I wonder? MBG --

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-22 Thread Matthew Guenther
ds of inactivity, like my previous Win95 settings. So I've always thought of it as a power management tool, along with apmd. Would having the laptop-metapackage just suggest or recommend (can't remember which is lower) hdparm, but not depend on it be a better solution I wonder? MBG --

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-22 Thread Russell Coker
>> IMHO hdparm is no more important to a laptop than to a desktop... >> > >I'm not sure here, are you saying hdparm should be included, or it's useful on >all computers; desktops and laptops, so shouldn't be included here? I think >if apmd is going to be suggested for power management, hdparm sho

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-22 Thread Russell Coker
>> IMHO hdparm is no more important to a laptop than to a desktop... >> > >I'm not sure here, are you saying hdparm should be included, or it's useful on >all computers; desktops and laptops, so shouldn't be included here? I think >if apmd is going to be suggested for power management, hdparm sho

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-22 Thread Matthew Guenther
On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 06:35:37PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote: > > IMHO hdparm is no more important to a laptop than to a desktop... > I'm not sure here, are you saying hdparm should be included, or it's useful on all computers; desktops and laptops, so shouldn't be included here? I think if apm

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-22 Thread Matthew Guenther
On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 06:35:37PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote: > > IMHO hdparm is no more important to a laptop than to a desktop... > I'm not sure here, are you saying hdparm should be included, or it's useful on all computers; desktops and laptops, so shouldn't be included here? I think if apm

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-21 Thread Russell Coker
>> Package task-laptop >> Depends: anacron, ?? >> Suggests: netenv, dhcp-client (or one of these) >> Conflicts: ?? >> Replaces: ?? >> Recommends: ?? >> >> Until irda gets in fully, it is not an option. I should have initial divine >> packages here soon as well. >> > >How about suggesting the pac

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-21 Thread Russell Coker
>> Package task-laptop >> Depends: anacron, ?? >> Suggests: netenv, dhcp-client (or one of these) >> Conflicts: ?? >> Replaces: ?? >> Recommends: ?? >> >> Until irda gets in fully, it is not an option. I should have initial divine >> packages here soon as well. >> > >How about suggesting the pac

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-20 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > How about suggesting the packages hdparm and apmd? > apmd was an oversight on my part -- it will be there. Do I need to depend on hdparm? If so, sure. > Should it also maybe include laptop-specific documentation/setup information? > I just keep thinking about how difficult it was to set u

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-20 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > How about suggesting the packages hdparm and apmd? > apmd was an oversight on my part -- it will be there. Do I need to depend on hdparm? If so, sure. > Should it also maybe include laptop-specific documentation/setup information? > I just keep thinking about how difficult it was to set u

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-20 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > Some minor question, what about the > name? I suggest 'laptop-task'. The word laptop is the one that > matters and since we read from left to right, it should be the > first one. > No, all tasks are called task-laptop. There are going to be a large number of these appearing in the near futu

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-20 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > Some minor question, what about the > name? I suggest 'laptop-task'. The word laptop is the one that > matters and since we read from left to right, it should be the > first one. > No, all tasks are called task-laptop. There are going to be a large number of these appearing in the near futu

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-18 Thread Matthew Guenther
On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 10:22:29AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > I have received the go ahead and will be constructing this package over the > next week. > > So, now the moment of truth. What to add? > > Package task-laptop > Depends: anacron, ?? > Suggests: netenv, dhcp-client (or one

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-18 Thread Matthew Guenther
On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 10:22:29AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > I have received the go ahead and will be constructing this package over the > next week. > > So, now the moment of truth. What to add? > > Package task-laptop > Depends: anacron, ?? > Suggests: netenv, dhcp-client (or one

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-18 Thread Werner Heuser
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry schrieb: > > On 16-Sep-99 Werner Heuser wrote: > > Hi, > > > > is "metapackage" something we should use for a laptop package? > > I have received the go ahead and will be constructing this package over the > next week. > > So, now the moment of truth. What to add? > > Packa

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-18 Thread Werner Heuser
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry schrieb: > > On 16-Sep-99 Werner Heuser wrote: > > Hi, > > > > is "metapackage" something we should use for a laptop package? > > I have received the go ahead and will be constructing this package over the > next week. > > So, now the moment of truth. What to add? > > Packa

RE: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-17 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 17-Sep-99 Clint A. Brubakken wrote: > On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > >> Package task-laptop >> Depends: anacron, ?? >> Suggests: netenv, dhcp-client (or one of these) > pcmcia-cs, pcmcia-modules > umm, silly me (-:

RE: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-17 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 17-Sep-99 Clint A. Brubakken wrote: > On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > >> Package task-laptop >> Depends: anacron, ?? >> Suggests: netenv, dhcp-client (or one of these) > pcmcia-cs, pcmcia-modules > umm, silly me (-:

RE: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-17 Thread Clint A. Brubakken
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > Package task-laptop > Depends: anacron, ?? > Suggests: netenv, dhcp-client (or one of these) pcmcia-cs, pcmcia-modules > Conflicts: ?? > Replaces: ?? > Recommends: ?? -- Clint Brubakken Developer, Computer Science Services Group, LLC D

RE: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-17 Thread Clint A. Brubakken
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > Package task-laptop > Depends: anacron, ?? > Suggests: netenv, dhcp-client (or one of these) pcmcia-cs, pcmcia-modules > Conflicts: ?? > Replaces: ?? > Recommends: ?? -- Clint Brubakken Developer, Computer Science Services Group, LLC D

RE: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-17 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 16-Sep-99 Werner Heuser wrote: > Hi, > > is "metapackage" something we should use for a laptop package? I have received the go ahead and will be constructing this package over the next week. So, now the moment of truth. What to add? Package task-laptop Depends: anacron, ?? Suggests: netenv

RE: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-17 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 16-Sep-99 Werner Heuser wrote: > Hi, > > is "metapackage" something we should use for a laptop package? I have received the go ahead and will be constructing this package over the next week. So, now the moment of truth. What to add? Package task-laptop Depends: anacron, ?? Suggests: netenv

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-16 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 16-Sep-99 Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Thursday 16 September 1999, at 7 h 25, the keyboard of Werner Heuser > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> is "metapackage" something we should use for a laptop package? > > Yes. If someone wants to manage the task-laptop package, please stand up. > Gu

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-16 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 16-Sep-99 Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Thursday 16 September 1999, at 7 h 25, the keyboard of Werner Heuser > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> is "metapackage" something we should use for a laptop package? > > Yes. If someone wants to manage the task-laptop package, please stand up. > Gu

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-16 Thread Werner Heuser
Stephane Bortzmeyer schrieb: > > On Thursday 16 September 1999, at 7 h 25, the keyboard of Werner Heuser > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > is "metapackage" something we should use for a laptop package? > > Yes. If someone wants to manage the task-laptop package, please stand up. Though I wrote

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-16 Thread Werner Heuser
Stephane Bortzmeyer schrieb: > > On Thursday 16 September 1999, at 7 h 25, the keyboard of Werner Heuser > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > is "metapackage" something we should use for a laptop package? > > Yes. If someone wants to manage the task-laptop package, please stand up. Though I wrote

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-16 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thursday 16 September 1999, at 7 h 25, the keyboard of Werner Heuser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > is "metapackage" something we should use for a laptop package? Yes. If someone wants to manage the task-laptop package, please stand up.

Re: laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-16 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thursday 16 September 1999, at 7 h 25, the keyboard of Werner Heuser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > is "metapackage" something we should use for a laptop package? Yes. If someone wants to manage the task-laptop package, please stand up.

laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-16 Thread Werner Heuser
Hi, is "metapackage" something we should use for a laptop package? Debian Weekly News http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/current/issue/ Debian Weekly News - September 14th, 1999 ... * The long awaited redesign of the installation profiles has begun. Now there are "metapackages"; packages th

laptop "metapackage"

1999-09-16 Thread Werner Heuser
Hi, is "metapackage" something we should use for a laptop package? Debian Weekly News http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/current/issue/ Debian Weekly News - September 14th, 1999 ... * The long awaited redesign of the installation profiles has begun. Now there are "metapackages"; packages th