On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 01:32:58PM +0200, ales drtik wrote:
> From: Nathanael Nerode:
> ...
> >Here you go, Steve.
>
> >drivers/media/video/dabfirmware.h
> >drivers/net/acenic_firmware.h
> >drivers/net/dgrs_firmware.c
> >drivers/net/tokenring/smctr_firmware.h
> >drivers/usb/misc/emi62_fw_m.h
> >dr
From: Nathanael Nerode:
...
>Here you go, Steve.
>drivers/media/video/dabfirmware.h
>drivers/net/acenic_firmware.h
>drivers/net/dgrs_firmware.c
>drivers/net/tokenring/smctr_firmware.h
>drivers/usb/misc/emi62_fw_m.h
>drivers/usb/misc/emi62_fw_s.h
>The above are all undistributable: smctr_firmware.
On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 09:25:59PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
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> Frederik Schueler wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 01:30:34PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> >> I emailed the contact address at Intel about e100, but it seem
On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 10:08:53PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
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> Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 05:55:22AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> >>> tg3 may follow, if there is
> >>> a good enough patch to do it nicely. This may com
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Sven Luther wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 05:55:22AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>>> tg3 may follow, if there is
>>> a good enough patch to do it nicely. This may come, either from someone like
>>> you (but the patch has to be upstream-quality, w
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Frederik Schueler wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 01:30:34PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>> I emailed the contact address at Intel about e100, but it seems to forward
>> to tech support. We'll see if anything comes back.
>
> what did
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Frederik Schueler wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 02:15:54PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>> Change this policy. You really must make two exceptions:
>> (1) Removal of material which Debian cannot legally distribute, if
>> upstream insi
Hello,
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 02:15:54PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Change this policy. You really must make two exceptions:
> (1) Removal of material which Debian cannot legally distribute, if
> upstream insists on keeping it.
> (2) Removal of material which does not satisfy the DFSG, if
Sven Luther wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 11:25:15AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>> At a minumum, the patch for tg3 exists and is fully
>> functional: check with [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the version against
er, that's @recycle.lbl.gov
I'm having him send me a copy.
>> the
>> up-to-date kerne
Frederik Schueler wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 11:25:15AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>> If the firmware-loading tg3 driver is present in the next kernel package
>> version, I will believe that the kernel team is acting in good faith to
>> try to satisfy the Social Contract.
>
> According t
Hello,
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 01:30:34PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> I emailed the contact address at Intel about e100, but it seems to forward
> to tech support. We'll see if anything comes back.
what did you write them?
IMHO, the topmost priority should be to get DFSG-free sources and a
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 01:31:07PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
>
> > Please add that information to the firmware wiki page, so that it is not
> > forgoten in a few days.
>
> It was generated from Larry's page.
ok, but the right thing to do is to work through the wiki for
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 01:30:34PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
>
> > Also, i have many time asked for help on working on Larry's list, and find
> > out the copyright holders of those files, and continue to fine-tune the
>
> I emailed the contact address at Intel about e100
Sven Luther wrote:
> Please add that information to the firmware wiki page, so that it is not
> forgoten in a few days.
It was generated from Larry's page.
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Bush admitted to violating FISA and said he was proud of it.
So why isn't he in prison yet?...
Sven Luther wrote:
> Also, i have many time asked for help on working on Larry's list, and find
> out the copyright holders of those files, and continue to fine-tune the
I emailed the contact address at Intel about e100, but it seems to forward
to tech support. We'll see if anything comes back.
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 05:55:22AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> > tg3 may follow, if there is
> > a good enough patch to do it nicely. This may come, either from someone like
> > you (but the patch has to be upstream-quality, which apparently your patch
> > was
> > not),
> Yes, it was upstream
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Sven Luther wrote:
> The reality is not that the kernel team don't want those firmware in main, but
> that in the current state of the debian technology, it is not feasible to do
> it right, and it will take time, and will be best done during the etch+
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Frederik Schueler wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 01:08:10PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>> Today I sent an email asking upstream to remove dgrs based on its
>> uselessness; we'll see what happens.
>
> Thanks. We should consider removing
Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Steve Langasek wrote:
>
> > If it is the consensus of the project that sourceless firmware doesn't
> > belong in main, this is a conscious regression in DFSG-compliance relative
> > to sarge. I don't think that's acceptable. We obviously do have the
> > means to remove
On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 11:25:15AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> At a minumum, the patch for tg3 exists and is fully
> functional: check with [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the version against the
> up-to-date kernel, and the corresponding loadable firmware files. It works
Comments from other had ma
On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 12:39:38PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Steve Langasek wrote:
>
> > If it is the consensus of the project that sourceless firmware doesn't
> > belong in main, this is a conscious regression in DFSG-compliance relative
> > to sarge. I don't think that's acceptable. We
On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 01:08:10PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 03:25:12AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
>
> >> On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 07:12:53AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
>
> (someone, I'm not sure who, wrote:)
> >> > > Re-adding them at this
* Norbert Tretkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-09-23 17:24]:
> * Frederik Schueler wrote:
> > Linux 2.6.18 has been released, and it looks like we can do a first
> > upload today.
> Is there an .orig.tar.gz already?
Yes, check out
http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/li
Hi,
On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 01:08:10PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Today I sent an email asking upstream to remove dgrs based on its
> uselessness; we'll see what happens.
Thanks. We should consider removing it, too then.
Best regards
Frederik Schueler
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On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 05:24:22PM +0200, Norbert Tretkowski wrote:
> * Frederik Schueler wrote:
> > Linux 2.6.18 has been released, and it looks like we can do a first
> > upload today.
>
> Is there an .orig.tar.gz already?
>
> Norbert
yes,
since day 0
-> http://kernel-archive.
Sven Luther wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 03:25:12AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 07:12:53AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
(someone, I'm not sure who, wrote:)
>> > > Re-adding them at this stage
>> > > 1) is against the current social contract
>>
>> > Yes, but then so
Steve Langasek wrote:
> If it is the consensus of the project that sourceless firmware doesn't
> belong in main, this is a conscious regression in DFSG-compliance relative
> to sarge. I don't think that's acceptable. We obviously do have the
> means to remove this particular subset of non-free f
Hello,
On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 11:25:15AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> If the firmware-loading tg3 driver is present in the next kernel package
> version, I will believe that the kernel team is acting in good faith to try
> to satisfy the Social Contract.
According to the kernel-team patch po
Frederik Schueler wrote:
> Second: this release contains ALL binary firmware blobs shipped
> upstream, even those we kept pruning since the day Herbert Xu removed
> them the first time in 2004.
My apologies for blowing up, although it looks like my flaming message died
in transit.
Anyway, it
On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 05:24:22PM +0200, Norbert Tretkowski wrote:
> * Frederik Schueler wrote:
> > Linux 2.6.18 has been released, and it looks like we can do a first
> > upload today.
>
> Is there an .orig.tar.gz already?
Sure, it was at http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel sin
* Frederik Schueler wrote:
> Linux 2.6.18 has been released, and it looks like we can do a first
> upload today.
Is there an .orig.tar.gz already?
Norbert
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On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 07:12:53AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 02:58:31AM -0500, Bill Allombert wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 08:52:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
>
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 11:46:06AM -0600, dann frazier wrote:
> The ia64/xen folks here think so too - I'm not too familiar with Xen,
> but if you want to enable ia64/xen in linux-2.6 I should be able to
> get help from HP people if we run into ia64-specific problems.
The question is, do we want/c
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 06:51:12PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
> Xen should be okay. According to the maintainer of this tree, ia64
> should work fine also.
The ia64/xen folks here think so too - I'm not too familiar with Xen,
but if you want to enable ia64/xen in linux-2.6 I should be able to
get
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote:
> The architectures taking part in the snapshot buildd network (amd64 i386
> powerpc s390 sparc) should be in a releasable state, while for the
> others, the build system has been changed to not fail if missing options
> are not s
Hello,
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 03:13:14PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > And exactly this is what it is all about: find a way to satisfy BOTH
> > priorities, not just one.
>
> No. It is about the definition of "our users".
>
> If "our users" are dependent on non-free software, then we indir
Arrgh!
Please ignore my post a moment ago. In a moment of carelessness I
forgot my promise of throwing no more flames in this thread :-(
- Jonas
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:16:02 +0200 Frederik Schueler wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 02:53:21PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > I honestly believe that moving linux-2.6 to non-free hurts our users
> > more than stripping non-free parts of the Debian-precompiled kernel.
>
> of course.
>
> >
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 03:25:12AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> [Dropping -release from cc anyway; there's no possible reason this needs to
> be cross-posted to 4 lists]
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 07:12:53AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 02:58:31AM -0500, Bill Allombert
On Thursday 21 September 2006 19:01, Frans Pop wrote:
> It will only hit the mirrors tonight or maybe even tomorrow (not sure).
> I will try to run an installation test tomorrow to see if 2.6.17 is
> picked up correctly.
Tested and OK.
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Hello,
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 02:53:21PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> I honestly believe that moving linux-2.6 to non-free hurts our users
> more than stripping non-free parts of the Debian-precompiled kernel.
of course.
> Also, section 4 of the SC talks equally about users and free softwa
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:58:14 +0200 Frederik Schueler wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 06:16:32PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote:
> > > Second: this release contains ALL binary firmwar
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On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 02:58:31AM -0500, Bill Allombert wrote:
>
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 08:52:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> There won't be any GR, there will be a new pet proposal until forever, and
> endless discussions as we start recalling the DPL, and bashing on the
> secretary and what not.
In the absence of GR, the current situation is that sourceless
On Thursday 21 September 2006 18:51, Bastian Blank wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote:
> > First, the migration status and plan looks as follows:
> > - after linux-latest-2.6 migrates into testing later today, we will
> > upload a new linux-latest-2.6 pointin
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote:
> First, the migration status and plan looks as follows:
> - after linux-latest-2.6 migrates into testing later today, we will upload
> a new linux-latest-2.6 pointing to 2.6.18 to unstable.
This should be done with the last upd
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 02:51:51PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Thursday 21 September 2006 08:43, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 05:20:39PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> > > Frederik and I discussed this on IRC and AFAICT this plan will work
> > > for
> >
> > Ah, i thought you didn't wa
On Thursday 21 September 2006 08:43, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 05:20:39PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> > Frederik and I discussed this on IRC and AFAICT this plan will work
> > for
>
> Ah, i thought you didn't want to have this kind of discussion on irc :)
You really don't have any
* Bill Allombert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060921 13:11]:
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote:
> > Second: this release contains ALL binary firmware blobs shipped
> > upstream, even those we kept pruning since the day Herbert Xu removed
> > them the first time in 2004.
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote:
> Second: this release contains ALL binary firmware blobs shipped
> upstream, even those we kept pruning since the day Herbert Xu removed
> them the first time in 2004.
>
> Initially, we wanted to wait for a positive GR vote out
Hi,
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 06:16:32PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote:
> > Second: this release contains ALL binary firmware blobs shipped
> > upstream, even those we kept pruning since the day Herbert Xu removed
> > them the firs
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 06:16:32PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote:
> > Second: this release contains ALL binary firmware blobs shipped
> > upstream, even those we kept pruning since the day Herbert Xu removed
> > them the first tim
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 05:20:39PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Wednesday 20 September 2006 15:38, Frederik Schueler wrote:
> > First, the migration status and plan looks as follows:
> > - linux-2.6 2.6.17-9 has already migrated to testing and can be updated
> > through t-p-u.
> > - after linux-l
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 06:16:32PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote:
> > Second: this release contains ALL binary firmware blobs shipped
> > upstream, even those we kept pruning since the day Herbert Xu removed
> > them the first tim
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote:
> Second: this release contains ALL binary firmware blobs shipped
> upstream, even those we kept pruning since the day Herbert Xu removed
> them the first time in 2004.
What in the world? Why would you do that anyway?
> Initia
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 15:38, Frederik Schueler wrote:
> First, the migration status and plan looks as follows:
> - linux-2.6 2.6.17-9 has already migrated to testing and can be updated
> through t-p-u.
> - after linux-latest-2.6 migrates into testing later today, we will
> upload a new
Hello,
Linux 2.6.18 has been released, and it looks like we can do a first
upload today.
First, the migration status and plan looks as follows:
- linux-2.6 2.6.17-9 has already migrated to testing and can be updated
through t-p-u.
- after linux-latest-2.6 migrates into testing later today,
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