Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 06:49:32AM +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 04:46:09PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > > > > > On Aug 08, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> We Do Not Distribute

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 04:46:09PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > > > On Aug 08, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> We Do Not Distribute Non-Free Software No Matter How Much It Helps Our > >> Users. > > > Now think about why we

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 04:26:45PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > untruth in what i said above, or in the other mail ? > > Yes. There is the option of simply not supporting installation on the > devices in question. Yeah, well, sure there is,

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On Aug 08, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > Now think about why we do not do it. >> It does not matter. Different members of Debian have different >> reasons. We have all agreed to work together on the basis of the >> Social Contrac

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 08, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now think about why we do not do it. > It does not matter. Different members of Debian have different > reasons. We have all agreed to work together on the basis of the > Social Contract, which says that We Do Not Distribute Non-Free

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On Aug 08, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> We Do Not Distribute Non-Free Software No Matter How Much It Helps Our >> Users. > Now think about why we do not do it. It does not matter. Different members of Debian have different reason

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 08, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We Do Not Distribute Non-Free Software No Matter How Much It Helps Our > Users. Now think about why we do not do it. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On Aug 08, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Yes. There is the option of simply not supporting installation on the >> devices in question. > i.e. screwing our users. We Do Not Distribute Non-Free Software No Matter How Much It Helps O

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 08, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes. There is the option of simply not supporting installation on the > devices in question. i.e. screwing our users. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > untruth in what i said above, or in the other mail ? Yes. There is the option of simply not supporting installation on the devices in question. Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [E

Bug#381951: linux-2.6: EFI support needed for MacBook Pro

2006-08-07 Thread Frans Pop
Package: linux-2.6 Severity: wishlist Tags: d-i Please consider activating EFI support for i386, which is needed for D-I to support installation on Intel-based MacBook Pro systems. This would allow usage of elilo as bootloader. See also: http://bugs.debian.org/381584 The pseudo patch below give

Bug#381937: /vmlinuz: Detects > 8 CPUs in my desktop system

2006-08-07 Thread Johan Walles
Package: linux-image-2.6.16-2-686-smp Version: 2.6.16-17 Severity: normal File: /vmlinuz Don't know how important this is, going with "normal". I'm getting this in my syslog: kernel: More than 8 CPUs detected and CONFIG_X86_PC cannot handle it. kernel: Use CONFIG_X86_GENERICARCH or CONFIG_X86_BI

Re: Bug#358397: initramfs-tools initrd.img update

2006-08-07 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Manoj Srivastava [Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:40:09 -0500]: > I am assuming you are not trolling, but merely do not know the > behaviour of the image preinst script. I know the behavior I observe in my systems. I have not read the code. > The difference is that first, if kernel image

Re: Bug#358397: initramfs-tools initrd.img update

2006-08-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 02:16:59 +0200, Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > * Manoj Srivastava [Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:25:05 -0500]: >> > 6) debconf note >> > a preinst warning of the update. >> Not a note. A question asked, and action taken based on the answer. > You mean like kernel-package's "

Good news: Small initramfs-tools images are no longer discouraged!

2006-08-07 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi, Apparently one of the old worries of using initramfs-tools as default for the upcoming release of Debian is no more: The maintainer of initramfs-tools, Maximilian Attems, today adjusted the status and comparison page of ramdisk tools[1], stating in the changelog that there is no problems usin

Bug#381844: itramfs-tools doesn't produce working ramdisk on amd64 with MODULES=list

2006-08-07 Thread maximilian attems
severity 381844 minor stop On Mon, 07 Aug 2006, Ivan Sergio Borgonovo wrote: > amd64-smp > > System doesn't boot. Error message is "Waiting for root file system... device > /dev/md3 does not exist". > uups i should reread strange long subjects more carefully. MODULES=list will _ONLY_ work if

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2006-08-07 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > severity 381844 minor Bug#381844: itramfs-tools doesn't produce working ramdisk on amd64 with MODULES=list Severity set to `minor' from `important' > stop Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Debian bug tracking system

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 06:24:12PM +0100, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 04:53:51PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > > On Aug 07, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > No, because those are not linked together with the GPLed code, but

Bug#381902: linux-image-2.6.17-1-powerpc: USB connection to Zaurus using usbnet often freezes on PowerPC

2006-08-07 Thread Vincent Lefevre
Package: linux-image-2.6.17-1-powerpc Version: 2.6.17-5 Severity: important I sometimes connect to my Zaurus SL-C860 with a USB connection (using usbnet) from my PowerBook and the connection often freezes. For instance, if I type "ssh -t -l zaurus 192.168.129.201 /usr/local/bin/zsh -l", then "ls /

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Sven Luther wrote: > On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 04:53:51PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > On Aug 07, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > No, because those are not linked together with the GPLed code, but are > > > > a mere > > > > aggregation of works inside the same media, i

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 04:53:51PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Aug 07, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > No, because those are not linked together with the GPLed code, but are a > > > mere > > > aggregation of works inside the same media, i.e. the binary file. Those > >

Re: Decision about oot-modules for etch

2006-08-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 05:52:34PM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: > Daniel Baumann wrote: > > Can you make an announcement to all oot-module maintainers, telling them > > that they should put their packages together into linux-modules-extra > > (for main) or a similar one for contrib, and if they're

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 02:48:08PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 01:21:32PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > >> > >> > On Aug 04, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Bug#381844: itramfs-tools doesn't produce working ramdisk on amd64 with MODULES=list

2006-08-07 Thread maximilian attems
severity 381844 important tags 381844 moreinfo stop On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 01:06:44PM +0200, Ivan Sergio Borgonovo wrote: > > Package: initramfs-tools > Version: 0.73c > Severity: grave that is grossly overrated severity, it works for many boots out there. also please next time use reportbug it

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2006-08-07 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > severity 381844 important Bug#381844: itramfs-tools doesn't produce working ramdisk on amd64 with MODULES=list Severity set to `important' from `grave' > tags 381844 moreinfo Bug#381844: itramfs-tools doesn't produce working ramdisk on amd64 with MOD

Bug#381886: linux-image-2.6.16-2-686-smp: e1000 EEPROM Checksum failed on T60p

2006-08-07 Thread Jerry Quinn
Package: linux-image-2.6.16-2-686-smp Version: 2.6.16-17 Severity: normal On a T60p with the latest BIOS (1.09), e1000 fails to find the ethernet device when loaded. It generates the following error in the kernel log: Aug 7 06:39:18 localhost kernel: e1000: :02:00.0: e1000_probe: The EEPROM

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Gnu-Raiz
On Monday 07 August 2006 03:23, Frederik Schueler wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 09:32:11AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > These are fine words, but how do you think they can translate > > into reality ? We don't currently have the ressources to do it > > the way it should be done, and

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 07, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No, because those are not linked together with the GPLed code, but are a > > mere > > aggregation of works inside the same media, i.e. the binary file. Those > > non-free firmware will never run inside the same memory space as the ker

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 01:21:32PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: >> >> > On Aug 04, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> >> >>think not? Prove it by proposing a GR. More importantly, th

Bug#381835: initrd-tools: Cleanup of dependencies: stat

2006-08-07 Thread Stefan Huehner
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 12:27:52PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 11:33:28AM +0200, Stefan Huehner wrote: > > Package: initrd-tools > > Version: 0.1.84.1 > > Severity: wishlist > > > > > > Hi, > > your package specifies a dependency of > > "coreutils | fileutils (>= 4.1.9) |

Re: Sven is flaming - please don't!

2006-08-07 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:26:42 +0200 Sven Luther wrote: > On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 11:58:11AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:42:42 +0200 Sven Luther wrote: > > > > > > Sven, can you please finally STOP flaming against the > > > > debian-installer team, thank you. > > > > >

Bug#381835: initrd-tools: Cleanup of dependencies: stat

2006-08-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 11:33:28AM +0200, Stefan Huehner wrote: > Package: initrd-tools > Version: 0.1.84.1 > Severity: wishlist > > > Hi, > your package specifies a dependency of > "coreutils | fileutils (>= 4.1.9) | stat (>= 3.0)". > > Of those fileutils and stat are dummy transitional package

Re: Sven is flaming - please don't!

2006-08-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 11:58:11AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:42:42 +0200 Sven Luther wrote: > > > > Sven, can you please finally STOP flaming against the > > > debian-installer team, thank you. > > > > Well, its a simple statement of facts, is it not ? I mean, did you

Re: linux-2.6 - compiler

2006-08-07 Thread Christian T. Steigies
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 10:19:41AM +0200, Norbert Tretkowski wrote: > * Bastian Blank wrote: > > The following arches did not yet switch to gcc-4.1: > > - alpha > > Linux 2.6.17 doesn't compile with gcc 4.1 [...] Same for m68k. > > At least alpha seems to be in an unmaintained state, and this h

Sven is flaming - please don't!

2006-08-07 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:42:42 +0200 Sven Luther wrote: > > Sven, can you please finally STOP flaming against the > > debian-installer team, thank you. > > Well, its a simple statement of facts, is it not ? I mean, did you > find any untruth in what i said above, Flames may be true and real. It is

Bug#381835: initrd-tools: Cleanup of dependencies: stat

2006-08-07 Thread Stefan Huehner
Package: initrd-tools Version: 0.1.84.1 Severity: wishlist Hi, your package specifies a dependency of "coreutils | fileutils (>= 4.1.9) | stat (>= 3.0)". Of those fileutils and stat are dummy transitional packages. They have been this way before sarge. Thus these are not needed for upgrade issue

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 10:23:31AM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 09:32:11AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > These are fine words, but how do you think they can translate into reality ? > > We don't currently have the ressources to do it the way it should be don

Re: linux-2.6 - compiler

2006-08-07 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Frederik Schueler wrote: > Norbert Tretkowski wrote: > > > At least alpha seems to be in an unmaintained state, and this > > > have to be solved quickly. > > > > Aha. > > How is the alpha-vserver flavour coming along? ;-) It's still on my todo list, but due to some personal and job-related chan

Re: linux-2.6 - compiler

2006-08-07 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 10:19:41AM +0200, Norbert Tretkowski wrote: > > At least alpha seems to be in an unmaintained state, and this have > > to be solved quickly. > > Aha. How is the alpha-vserver flavour coming along? ;-) Best regards Frederik Schueler -- ENOSIG signature.asc Desc

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 09:32:11AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > These are fine words, but how do you think they can translate into reality ? > We don't currently have the ressources to do it the way it should be done, and > evne if we did, the deficiencies of d-i will make the work we do use

Re: linux-2.6 - compiler

2006-08-07 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Bastian Blank wrote: > The following arches did not yet switch to gcc-4.1: > - alpha Linux 2.6.17 doesn't compile with gcc 4.1 on alpha. > At least alpha seems to be in an unmaintained state, and this have > to be solved quickly. Aha. Norbert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EM

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 04:50:54PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > So, i don't believe there is much choice left to the kernel team in > > this issue but to ask for a waiver of the DFSG compliance for the > > kernel for etch, and hope the d-i folk

linux-2.6 - compiler

2006-08-07 Thread Bastian Blank
Hi folks The following arches did not yet switch to gcc-4.1: - alpha - hppa - m68k - powerpc At least alpha seems to be in an unmaintained state, and this have to be solved quickly. Bastian -- There's a way out of any cage. -- Captain Christopher Pike, "The Menagerie" ("The Cag