Alle Monday 13 April 2009, Mark Purcell ha scritto:
> On Saturday 11 April 2009 19:21:11 Arthur Marsh wrote:
> > > upstream. Takes me about 3-6 minutes per bug. Because that is what
> > > Debian is about. Lots of people, like you, doing a little bit of work
> > > when they have some spare time.
>
On Monday 13 April 2009 20:30:29 Mark Purcell wrote:
> Bug filed: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189520
> Mon Apr 13 20:26:59 EST 2009
>
> six minutes.
>
> Lets see what upstream do with it now ;-)
Mon Apr 13 20:56:57 EST 2009
Hey look I have a response from upstream within 30 minutes.
No t
> > What I have found works best is when upstream subscribe to the Debian
> > package tracking system (kmymoney2, kile, ...) and then forward PTS email
> > into their upstream -dev mailing list.
>
> What does PTS stand for?
Sorry,
That is the Package Tracking System, which is an email subscriptio
On Saturday 11 April 2009 19:21:11 Arthur Marsh wrote:
> > upstream. Takes me about 3-6 minutes per bug. Because that is what
> > Debian is about. Lots of people, like you, doing a little bit of work
> > when they have some spare time.
[...]
> > So with your next spare 3 minutes, look at the BTS,
On Saturday 11 April 2009 19:21:11 Arthur Marsh wrote:
> [As an aside, HPLIP *DOES NOT EVEN HAVE ANY MAILING LISTS* and this was
> a barrier against finding and reporting bugs upstream against HPLIP )-:.]
Thanks Arthur,
This is a very good point.
What I have found works best is when upstream sub
Hi, I'd like to preface this reply with the statement that I have read
this entire thread, and have appreciated the Debian KDE maintainers
efforts in general and Mark Purcell in particular.
Mark Purcell wrote, on 09/04/09 18:53:
On Thursday 09 April 2009 11:14:26 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
El Jueves, 9 de Abril de 2009, Ritesh Raj Sarraf escribió:
> Upstream simply tagged it as a backward incompatible major release. And so
> did many of the other distributions.
Are you sure of this? AFAIK, upstream provided upgrade paths through
kconf_update, as always. And if something broke, it w
Modestas Vainius wrote:
>> Won't someone please think of the users?
> The reason I'm talking with you is because I think of the users. The
> reason we try hard to maintain and publish good packages is because we
> think of the users. The reason KDE is in Debian is because Debian KDE
> maintainers
In <200904091712.11218.variosin...@gmail.com>, Manolete, ese artista...
wrote:
>El Jueves 09 Abril 2009 16:46:44 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. escribió:
>> How is a non-technical Debian user supposed to know if a bug is Debian-
>> specific or not without installing a different distribution?
>
>Asking in
Hello,
On 2009 m. April 9 d., Thursday 17:46:44 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >2) We will probably never forward a new upstream bug reported to the
> > Debian BTS to KDE BTS (i.e. open a new bug) and we will not play proxy
> > between the user and upstream.
>
> This is part of being a maintainer
Alle Thursday 09 April 2009, Alejandro Exojo ha scritto:
> El Jueves, 9 de Abril de 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. escribió:
> > Can you think how fast a RFS on the debian-mentors list would
> > be denied if accompanied by "I won't have time to deal with bugs, please
> > file them all upstream."?
>
El Jueves 09 Abril 2009 16:46:44 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. escribió:
> How is a non-technical Debian user supposed to know if a bug is Debian-
> specific or not without installing a different distribution?
Asking in upstream forums to see if users of different distributions are
experiencing the sam
In <200904091620.34787@badopi.org>, Alejandro Exojo wrote:
>El Jueves, 9 de Abril de 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. escribió:
>> I get my OS from one source, the Debian repositories (and initially the
>> Debian cdimage ftp server). I should only need to provide feedback to one
>> source: Debian.
In <200904091114.11428.modes...@vainius.eu>, Modestas Vainius wrote:
>> If Debian can't shoulder the burden of maintaining KDE, they shouldn't be
>> packaging it. Debian maintainers should be ready to receive bug reports
>> from Debian users. I should not have to run another distribution or
>> co
El Jueves, 9 de Abril de 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. escribió:
> Can you think how fast a RFS on the debian-mentors list would
> be denied if accompanied by "I won't have time to deal with bugs, please
> file them all upstream."?
I maintained two KDE-related packages in Debian, and of course I d
On Thursday 09 April 2009 04:23:41 you wrote:
>On Thursday 09 April 2009 11:14:26 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> >Are you aware about how many Debian packagers has the Qt/KDE team? Do you
>> >imagine how many time is needed to handle this? And not only the KDE
>> > people, but other teams as well
On Thursday 09 April 2009 11:14:26 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >Are you aware about how many Debian packagers has the Qt/KDE team? Do you
> >imagine how many time is needed to handle this? And not only the KDE
> > people, but other teams as well.
>
> If Debian can't shoulder the burden of maint
Hello,
On 2009 m. April 9 d., Thursday 04:14:26 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> Another good reason to file bugs that affect Debian in the DBTS even if
> they are already upstream: apt-listbugs.
As I said, RC (grave, serious, critical) should end up in Debian BTS as they
are likely to affect many
On 2009-04-09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> As far as the effort required to wrangle the bugs, this can be spread out b=
> y=20
> getting users involved. KDE itself has had some pretty good luck with "Bug=
>=20
> Day"s where users meet developers on IRC (or whatever) and confirm/deny bug=
> s,
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <200904090054.49296@badopi.org>, Alejandro Exojo wrote:
>> El Miércoles, 8 de Abril de 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. escribió:
>>> IMO:
>>> Even if you *know* the bug is a problem caused by upstream, you should
>>> probably file it on the Debian BTS if it affec
On Mié 08 Abr 2009 22:14:26 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. escribió:
> In <200904090054.49296@badopi.org>, Alejandro Exojo wrote:
> >El Miércoles, 8 de Abril de 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. escribió:
[snip]
> If Debian can't shoulder the burden of maintaining KDE, they shouldn't be
> packaging it. Deb
In <200904090054.49296@badopi.org>, Alejandro Exojo wrote:
>El Miércoles, 8 de Abril de 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. escribió:
>> IMO:
>> Even if you *know* the bug is a problem caused by upstream, you should
>> probably file it on the Debian BTS if it affects Debian. This way it will
>> show
On 2009-04-08, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> To clean up the bts will probably require around 4 people putting 15
> minutes each day into it on average over a half year. Help is needed.
> ANd please help instead of telling us how to do our jobs.
http://users.alioth.debian.org/~pusling-guest/pkg-kde-buggr
El Miércoles, 8 de Abril de 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. escribió:
> IMO:
> Even if you *know* the bug is a problem caused by upstream, you should
> probably file it on the Debian BTS if it affects Debian. This way it will
> show up in automated reports for the status of bugs in
> stable/testing/u
On 2009-04-08, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> IMO:
> Even if you *know* the bug is a problem caused by upstream, you should=20
> probably file it on the Debian BTS if it affects Debian. This way it will=
>=20
> show up in automated reports for the status of bugs in=20
> stable/testing/unstable a
Alle Wednesday 08 April 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ha scritto:
> In <200904090014.01454.modes...@vainius.eu>, Modestas Vainius wrote:
> >On 2009 m. April 8 d., Wednesday 23:59:10 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >> Then file the bug at the Debian BTS and the maintainer will forward it
> >> to upst
In <200904090014.01454.modes...@vainius.eu>, Modestas Vainius wrote:
>On 2009 m. April 8 d., Wednesday 23:59:10 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> Then file the bug at the Debian BTS and the maintainer will forward it
>> to upstream if necessary. (Of course, only to this is you are willing
>> to wor
On 2009-04-08, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
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> In <200904082112.06053.variosin...@gmail.com>, Manolete, ese artista...=20
> wrote:
>>[I]f
Hello,
On 2009 m. April 8 d., Wednesday 23:59:10 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> Then file the bug at the Debian BTS and the maintainer will forward it to
> upstream if necessary. (Of course, only to this is you are willing to work
> with the maintainer to correctly resolve the bug.)
WRONG thinki
In <200904082112.06053.variosin...@gmail.com>, Manolete, ese artista...
wrote:
>[I]f you are not sure if it's a problem in the Debian
>package or in Lancelot itself...
Then file the bug at the Debian BTS and the maintainer will forward it to
upstream if necessary. (Of course, only to this is yo
El Miércoles 08 Abril 2009 19:57:30 Valerio Passini escribió:
>
> I going to search, but this way is going to increase the number of
> forums/mailing lists I'm fallowing :)
>
I understand you 1%, hehe; it's the same for me, :-/ but the KDE forum is a
very useful site to search and ask rega
Thank you, Manolete
> Are you sure it's a distro especific problem, it only happens in Debian?
> Perhaps is a Lancelot one.
>
I can't be sure since I use only Debian
> I'd recommend you to search, and eventually post, in http://forum.kde.org
I going to search, but this way is going to incre
El Miércoles 08 Abril 2009 14:54:54 Valerio Passini escribió:
>
> Should I file a bugreport to Debian? Thank you
>
> Valerio
>
Are you sure it's a distro especific problem, it only happens in Debian?
Perhaps is a Lancelot one.
I'd recommend you to search, and eventually post, in http://forum.
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