Re: KDE 3.4.1

2005-09-08 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Serja [Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:38:01 +0200]: > And are this packages currently maintained? No. They are _not_ a backport for Sarge; they were the very same ones we uploaded to experimental a while ago. The fact that they can be installed in sarge is only a coincidence. If you are intereste

Re: KDE 3.4.1

2005-09-08 Thread EmIscA
I think not.. they haven't changed since they were released. Serja ha scritto: And are this packages currently maintained? --- Original message --- From: Isaac Clerencia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: KDE 3.4.1 Date: Thursday 08 Septem

Re: KDE 3.4.1

2005-09-08 Thread Serja
And are this packages currently maintained? --- Original message --- From: Isaac Clerencia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: KDE 3.4.1 Date: Thursday 08 September 2005 09:35 > On Thursday, 8 September 2005 06:54, Serja wrote: > > Hi, &

Re: KDE 3.4.1

2005-09-08 Thread Isaac Clerencia
On Thursday, 8 September 2005 06:54, Serja wrote: > Hi, > Is this repo suitable for Sarge > (http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/)? Or it is also made with gcc > 4, so I need do a total update from Sid repositories? 3.4.1 is built with gcc 3.3 Best regards -- Isaac Clerencia at Warp Netwo

Re: [kde 3.4.1] kmail composer crash when inserting file

2005-08-11 Thread Bjorn Helgaas
On Monday 27 June 2005 3:47 pm, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > On Monday 27 June 2005 1:08 pm, Stephen Cormier wrote: > > On June 27, 2005 03:25 pm, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > > > I upgraded everything I could think of (current list below) > > > and restarted KDE, but the composer still crashes when > > > I in

Re: KDE 3.4.1 in sid/alioth

2005-07-24 Thread Anders Ellenshøj Andersen
On Sunday 24 July 2005 16:56, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Anders Ellenshøj Andersen [Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:02:46 +0200]: > > Since the xorg server came into sid, alioth packages of KDE 3.4.1 has > > been broken for me. > > Well, I have upgraded from XFree86 to X.org 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4 and my KDE > 3.4.1

Re: KDE 3.4.1 in sid/alioth

2005-07-24 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Anders Ellenshøj Andersen [Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:02:46 +0200]: > Since the xorg server came into sid, alioth packages of KDE 3.4.1 has > been broken for me. Well, I have upgraded from XFree86 to X.org 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4 and my KDE 3.4.1 from Alioth is doing fine. So if you put some effort, you sh

Re: KDE 3.4.1 in sid/alioth

2005-07-23 Thread Alejandro Exojo
El Sábado, 23 de Julio de 2005 16:48, Larry Garfield escribió: > I'm not thinking of anything fancy; just, say, an announce mailing list > that gets messages like: > >  "We're starting the gcc 4 ABI transition tomorrow.  Stuff will be broken > for a long time as we slowly recompile the entire tree.

Re: KDE 3.4.1 in sid/alioth

2005-07-23 Thread Larry Garfield
On Saturday 23 July 2005 02:50 am, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote: > > For now, avoid the upgrade command. ;-) > > Wyy too late for that I'm afraid. ;) I am running xorg with > Enlightenment right now using Mozilla Firefox/Thunderbird for my > communication and browsing needs. This is proba

Re: KDE 3.4.1 in sid/alioth

2005-07-23 Thread Anders Ellenshøj Andersen
Larry Garfield wrote: To the best of my knowledge (I am not a maintainer or developer), the process is something like this: 1) Wait for gcc 4 transition to be complete in Sid. 2) Wait for Xorg to be available on all platforms in Sid. 3) Recompile KDE 3.4.1 for both of the above and move into S

Re: KDE 3.4.1 in sid/alioth

2005-07-23 Thread Larry Garfield
To the best of my knowledge (I am not a maintainer or developer), the process is something like this: 1) Wait for gcc 4 transition to be complete in Sid. 2) Wait for Xorg to be available on all platforms in Sid. 3) Recompile KDE 3.4.1 for both of the above and move into Sid. The alioth packages

Re: kde-3.4.1 missing kompmgr for xorg

2005-07-20 Thread Mihai Maties
On Wednesday 13 July 2005 16:02, hacker (of golf) wrote: > Now that unstable is on xorg, it would be useful to have kompmgr > included in kde-3.4.1 so we can enable the window transparency > feature. > > Could you rebuild and include it? You could install the kwin package from: http://helion.xcyb

Re: kde 3.4.1 and libglu1-xorg

2005-07-13 Thread David Martínez Moreno
El Miércoles, 13 de Julio de 2005 17:13, Jean-Damien Durand escribió: > DM > You are running experimental + sid. Period. You get what you deserve. > Definitely [smiles]! Damn this is not a quite period with c++ abi + xorg. > No pb at all; that was just for information; I trust packagers and think

Re: kde 3.4.1 and libglu1-xorg

2005-07-13 Thread Jean-Damien Durand
DM >You are running experimental + sid. Period. You get what you deserve. Definitely [smiles]! Damn this is not a quite period with c++ abi + xorg. No pb at all; that was just for information; I trust packagers and think they deserve holidays btw! Thanks to everybody for their reply. Cheers, J

Re: kde 3.4.1 and libglu1-xorg

2005-07-13 Thread Derek Broughton
Jean-Damien Durand wrote: > I wonder. Nobody having trouble with libglu1-xorg that replaces > xlibmesa-glu? > > Indeed, I already ran kde 3.4.1. Then did an 'apt-get -t unstable > dist-upgrade' that removed a lot of kde. fwiw, in Ubuntu (with kde 3.4.1), the only "glu" package I have installed

Re: kde 3.4.1 and libglu1-xorg

2005-07-13 Thread David Martínez Moreno
El Miércoles, 13 de Julio de 2005 15:14, Jean-Damien Durand escribió: > I wonder. Nobody having trouble with libglu1-xorg that replaces > xlibmesa-glu? We will try again... You are running experimental + sid. Period. You get what you deserve. Sid is currently in the middl

Re: kde 3.4.1 and libglu1-xorg

2005-07-13 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Mittwoch, 13. Juli 2005 15:14 schrieb Jean-Damien Durand: > % dpkg-query -l libglu1-xorg | grep ii > ii libglu1-xorg 6.8.2.dfsg.1-1 Mesa OpenGL utility library [X.Org] > > and libglu1-xorg, dixit apt-cache show: > > Replaces: libglu1c2, libglu1, libutahglx1, mesag3 (<< 5.0.0-1), xlibmesa3 > (

Re: kde-3.4.1 missing kompmgr for xorg

2005-07-13 Thread Alejandro Exojo
El Miércoles, 13 de Julio de 2005 15:02, hacker (of golf) escribió: > Now that unstable is on xorg, it would be useful to have kompmgr > included in kde-3.4.1 so we can enable the window transparency > feature. > > Could you rebuild and include it? Please, BE PATIENT. The KDE maintainers know very

Re: kde-3.4.1 missing kompmgr for xorg

2005-07-13 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Mer 13 Juillet 2005 15:23, Pierre Habouzit a écrit : > Le Mer 13 Juillet 2005 15:02, hacker (of golf) a écrit : > > Now that unstable is on xorg, it would be useful to have kompmgr > > included in kde-3.4.1 so we can enable the window transparency > > feature. > > > > Could you rebuild and inclu

Re: kde-3.4.1 missing kompmgr for xorg

2005-07-13 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Mer 13 Juillet 2005 15:02, hacker (of golf) a écrit : > Now that unstable is on xorg, it would be useful to have kompmgr > included in kde-3.4.1 so we can enable the window transparency > feature. > > Could you rebuild and include it? http://bugs.debian.org/318094 -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O

Re: kde 3.4.1

2005-07-12 Thread Modestas Vainius
2005 m. Liepos 12 d., Antradienis 15:57, Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda rašė: > Hi, I don't understand it. On sunday evening I did an upgrade and installed > kde3.4.1 _without_ any problem. Are you sure what are you saying? Maybe it > works for amd64 and not for i386... libjack0.80.0-0 is no longer avai

Re: kde 3.4.1

2005-07-12 Thread Nick Leverton
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 02:57:41PM +0200, Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda wrote: > Hi, I don't understand it. On sunday evening I did an upgrade and installed > kde3.4.1 _without_ any problem. Are you sure what are you saying? Maybe it > works for amd64 and not for i386... Works nicely for i386 as w

Re: kde 3.4.1

2005-07-12 Thread Jan De Luyck
On Tuesday 12 July 2005 14:55, Nando Debian wrote: > I have used the same line.. but my apt don't recognize it showed one > error, see below: > > fortress:~# apt-get update > Obtendo:1 http://linorg.usp.br unstable Release.gpg [197B] > Atingido http://linorg.usp.br unstable Release > Atingido http:

Re: kde 3.4.1

2005-07-12 Thread Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda
A Dimarts 12 Juliol 2005 14:38, Modestas Vainius va escriure: > 2005 m. Liepos 12 d., Antradienis 15:06, Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda rašė: > > I have used > > deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ > > > > for amd64 arch, and I have upgraded from sid (kde 3.3.2) to 3.4.1 without > > any p

Re: kde 3.4.1

2005-07-12 Thread Nando Debian
I have used the same line.. but my apt don't recognize it showed one error, see below: fortress:~# apt-get update Obtendo:1 http://linorg.usp.br unstable Release.gpg [197B] Atingido http://linorg.usp.br unstable Release Atingido http://linorg.usp.br unstable/main Packages Atingido http://linorg.us

Re: kde 3.4.1

2005-07-12 Thread Modestas Vainius
2005 m. Liepos 12 d., Antradienis 15:06, Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda rašė: > I have used > deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ > > for amd64 arch, and I have upgraded from sid (kde 3.3.2) to 3.4.1 without > any problem. > > apt-get update > apt-get upgrade > > Maybe there are some tips

Re: kde 3.4.1

2005-07-12 Thread Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda
A Dimarts 12 Juliol 2005 13:56, Nando Debian va escriure: > My debian is unstable, not kde. Do you have another line for install > kde 3.4.0 or 3.4.1? I have used deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ for amd64 arch, and I have upgraded from sid (kde 3.3.2) to 3.4.1 without any pro

Re: kde 3.4.1

2005-07-12 Thread Nando Debian
My debian is unstable, not kde. Do you have another line for install kde 3.4.0 or 3.4.1? 2005/7/12, Andrew Schulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi I install Debian sarge today and upgraded for unstable, but I > > can't install kde 3.4.1 here. > > > > In my sources.list I added line: > > > > deb ht

Re: kde 3.4.1

2005-07-12 Thread Andrew Schulman
> Hi I install Debian sarge today and upgraded for unstable, but I > can't install kde 3.4.1 here. > > In my sources.list I added line: > > deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ > > and when I put aptitude update, I get one error: > > Ign http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org ./

Re: KDE 3.4.1 and GNOME 2.10

2005-06-30 Thread Marco Calviani
Serja wrote: Actually this utility is for KDE users who want to use a few gtk applications with KDe look+feel. Hi, that was the reason that i've installed that package. You're right there must be a warning. I'll try to send a message to the mantainer of the Debian package. Regards, MC -

Re: KDE 3.4.1 and GNOME 2.10

2005-06-30 Thread Serja
've spent a few days to figure out why gnome crashes at startup. It was the gtk2-engines-gtk-qt. --- Original message --- From: Marco Calviani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: KDE 3.4.1 and GNOME 2.10 Date: 30 Июнь 2005 20:52 > Hi Serja, >

Re: KDE 3.4.1 and GNOME 2.10

2005-06-30 Thread Marco Calviani
Hi Serja, Whaw! many thanks for this hint! Now it's perfectly working. Regards, MC Serja wrote: Try to disable gtk2-engines-gtk-qt in Kcontrol if installed. --- Original message --- From: Marco Calviani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org, debian-kde@lists.debian.or

Re: kde 3.4.1 and gnome 2.10 problem (?)

2005-06-30 Thread Serja
gtk2-engines-gtk-qt Try to disable it in Kcontrol of uninstall it. --- Original message --- From: Marco Calviani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian users , debian-kde@lists.debian.org Subject: kde 3.4.1 and gnome 2.10 problem (?) Date: 30 Июнь 2005 14:21 > Hi, > i'm currently running Sid usi

Re: KDE 3.4.1 and GNOME 2.10

2005-06-30 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Thursday 30 June 2005 11:44, Marco Calviani wrote: > Hi, > i'm currently running Sid using KDE 3.4.1 from experimental and kdm. > Whenever i try to access X using Gnome my system stuck when it comes to > load the horizontal top and bottom bar of gnome 2.10. Does anybody can > diagnose this pro

Re: KDE 3.4.1 and GNOME 2.10

2005-06-30 Thread Serja
Try to disable gtk2-engines-gtk-qt in Kcontrol if installed. --- Original message --- From: Marco Calviani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org, debian-kde@lists.debian.org Subject: KDE 3.4.1 and GNOME 2.10 Date: 30 Июнь 2005 11:44 > Hi, > i'm currently running Sid using

Re: [kde 3.4.1] kmail composer crash when inserting file

2005-06-27 Thread Stephen Cormier
On June 27, 2005 06:47 pm, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > On Monday 27 June 2005 1:08 pm, Stephen Cormier wrote: > > On June 27, 2005 03:25 pm, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > > > On Monday 27 June 2005 11:05 am, Stephen Cormier wrote: > > > > On June 27, 2005 12:49 pm, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > > > > > On Saturday 25

Re: [kde 3.4.1] kmail composer crash when inserting file

2005-06-27 Thread Bjorn Helgaas
On Monday 27 June 2005 1:08 pm, Stephen Cormier wrote: > On June 27, 2005 03:25 pm, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > > On Monday 27 June 2005 11:05 am, Stephen Cormier wrote: > > > On June 27, 2005 12:49 pm, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > > > > On Saturday 25 June 2005 2:11 am, Jean-Damien Durand wrote: > > > > > Ca

Re: [kde 3.4.1] kmail composer crash when inserting file

2005-06-27 Thread Stephen Cormier
On June 27, 2005 03:25 pm, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > On Monday 27 June 2005 11:05 am, Stephen Cormier wrote: > > On June 27, 2005 12:49 pm, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > > > On Saturday 25 June 2005 2:11 am, Jean-Damien Durand wrote: > > > > Cannot reproduce it on i386. I tried with a library of 45M and > >

Re: [kde 3.4.1] kmail composer crash when inserting file

2005-06-27 Thread Bjorn Helgaas
On Monday 27 June 2005 11:05 am, Stephen Cormier wrote: > On June 27, 2005 12:49 pm, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > > On Saturday 25 June 2005 2:11 am, Jean-Damien Durand wrote: > > > Cannot reproduce it on i386. I tried with a library of 45M and a > > > zero-length file. Perhaps listing all your installed

Re: [kde 3.4.1] kmail composer crash when inserting file

2005-06-27 Thread Stephen Cormier
On June 27, 2005 12:49 pm, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > On Saturday 25 June 2005 2:11 am, Jean-Damien Durand wrote: > > Cannot reproduce it on i386. I tried with a library of 45M and a > > zero-length file. Perhaps listing all your installed kde packages > > might help the developers. You should upgrade

Re: [kde 3.4.1] kmail composer crash when inserting file

2005-06-27 Thread Bjorn Helgaas
On Saturday 25 June 2005 2:11 am, Jean-Damien Durand wrote: > Cannot reproduce it on i386. I tried with a library of 45M and a zero-length > file. > Perhaps listing all your installed kde packages might help the developers. ii kde-amusements44 the K Desktop Environment ga

Re: [kde 3.4.1] kmail composer crash when inserting file

2005-06-25 Thread Jean-Damien Durand
Dear Bjorn, Cannot reproduce it on i386. I tried with a library of 45M and a zero-length file. Perhaps listing all your installed kde packages might help the developers. That's all I can do, hope that helps anyway (hmmm...)! Cheers, JD. On Friday 24 June 2005 17:40, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: BH > On T

Re: [kde 3.4.1] kmail composer crash when inserting file

2005-06-24 Thread Bjorn Helgaas
On Thursday 23 June 2005 11:40 am, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > The kmail composer crashes reliably when inserting a file. This > happened with 3.4.0 and also happens with kmail 1.8.1 on 3.4.1 > (installed from http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/). I opened a KDE bug report for this: http:/

Re: [kde 3.4.1] kmail composer crash when inserting file

2005-06-24 Thread Georg Prager
On Friday 24 June 2005 00:59, Timo Springmann wrote: > Hi, > > > The kmail composer crashes reliably when inserting a file. This > > happened with 3.4.0 and also happens with kmail 1.8.1 on 3.4.1 > > (installed from http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/). > > > > To reproduce: > > - click

Re: [kde 3.4.1] kmail composer crash when inserting file

2005-06-23 Thread Timo Springmann
Hi, > The kmail composer crashes reliably when inserting a file. This > happened with 3.4.0 and also happens with kmail 1.8.1 on 3.4.1 > (installed from http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/). > > To reproduce: > - click "New Message" icon > - use Message->Insert File I can't reproduce

Re: [kde 3.4.1] kmail composer crash when inserting file

2005-06-23 Thread Wolfgang Mader
You are right - here it is the same. amd64 version of sid. On Thursday 23 June 2005 19:40, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > The kmail composer crashes reliably when inserting a file. This > happened with 3.4.0 and also happens with kmail 1.8.1 on 3.4.1 > (installed from http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde

Re: [kde 3.4.1] Konqueror crashes often in file-mode

2005-06-22 Thread Larry Garfield
I've had similar trouble with 3.4.0, although it doesn't seem to be bound to mounting anything. It's quite random, but only in file mode. I posted a backtrace here a few days ago. No response yet. :-) On Wednesday 22 June 2005 04:35 am, Jan De Luyck wrote: > Hello list, > > Yesterday I encount

Re: kde 3.4.1 packages

2005-06-06 Thread Andrew Schulman
>> Preparing to replace kdelibs-data 4:3.3.2-6.1 (using >> .../kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.1-1_all.deb) ... >> Unpacking replacement kdelibs-data ... >> Replacing files in old package konq-plugins ... >> dpkg: error processing >> /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.1-1_all.deb (--unpack): >>

Re: kde 3.4.1 packages

2005-06-04 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Jean-Damien Durand [Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:08:58 +0200]: Hi! > - Few glitches at install / perhaps my fault - don't know > Unpacking replacement kdict ... > dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdict_4%3a3.4.1-1_i386.deb > (--unpack): > trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/crystalsv

Re: kde 3.4.1 packages

2005-06-04 Thread Jean-Damien Durand
Works fine for me on i386. I already had xorg but, so that was mainly an update fro 3.3.2 to 3.4.1. Neverthless all your xorg got downloaded (that was normal). - Few glitches at install / perhaps my fault - don't know Unpacking replacement kdict ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/

Re: kde 3.4.1 packages

2005-06-03 Thread Rafael Rodríguez
My kmail 3.4.1 (alioth, amd64) segfaults all the time when deleting many mails in a row (that's pressing "del" a couple of seconds...). Didn't use to happen with 3.4.0 :( Regards, Rafael Rodríguez El Viernes, 3 de Junio de 2005 15:47, Mihai Maties escribió: > On Wednesday 01 June 2005 18:18, P

Re: kde 3.4.1 packages

2005-06-03 Thread Mihai Maties
On Wednesday 01 June 2005 18:18, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > the QT-KDE team just uploaded to experimental packages for the 3.4.1 kde > > deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ > deb-src http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ If anyone is interested in running kde-3.4.1 with

Re: kde 3.4.1 packages

2005-06-03 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Daniel Shepler just packaged kdepim and kdegames. they are now on alioth. I'm building kdepim for amd64, and it will be on alioth soon. -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O[EMAIL PROTECTED] OOOhttp://www.madis

Re: kde 3.4.1 packages

2005-06-02 Thread Christopher Martin
On June 2, 2005 16:31, hacker wrote: > OK, I just realized that I'm running a mix of kde-3.4.0-pre and 3.4.1 > (i.e. kmail is 3.4.0, but kppp is 3.4.1). Things seem to working ok > so far, but I hopefully this won't be for too long. As the original kde-3.4.1 announcement mentioned, "the other kde

Re: kde 3.4.1 packages

2005-06-02 Thread hacker
On 6/2/05, Christopher Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On June 2, 2005 11:03, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > Le Jeudi 2 Juin 2005 16:43, hacker a écrit: > To elaborate further, there is a bug in kdewebdev 3.4.0 that makes kommander > look for its handbook in the wrong location. We've patched this,

Re: kde 3.4.1 packages

2005-06-02 Thread Christopher Martin
On June 2, 2005 11:03, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Le Jeudi 2 Juin 2005 16:43, hacker a écrit : > > On 6/1/05, Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > the QT-KDE team just uploaded to experimental packages for the > > > 3.4.1 kde following modules : > > > > Thanks, I'm enjoying them now. BTW

Re: kde 3.4.1 packages

2005-06-02 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Jeudi 2 Juin 2005 16:43, hacker a écrit : > On 6/1/05, Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > the QT-KDE team just uploaded to experimental packages for the > > 3.4.1 kde following modules : > > Thanks, I'm enjoying them now. BTW, when I try to access the > Kommander handbook, the khelp

Re: kde 3.4.1 packages

2005-06-02 Thread hacker
On 6/1/05, Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the QT-KDE team just uploaded to experimental packages for the 3.4.1 kde > following modules : Thanks, I'm enjoying them now. BTW, when I try to access the Kommander handbook, the khelp says the requested file could not be found. Check that

Re: kde 3.4.1 packages

2005-06-02 Thread Pierre Habouzit
> A mirror has been set up on alioth : > > deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ > deb-src http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ I am currently populating the mirror with packages for amd64 (and if I have enough time for ppc as well). Cheers, -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··