Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-20 Thread Nick Leverton
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 05:57:06PM -0300, Nicolas Alvarez wrote: > Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: > > Yes, the header contains the http expire date there is no other way to get > > it. Though I would have thought it would keep the statistics in memory > > instead of rereading it on every cycle. Are

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-19 Thread Nicolas Alvarez
Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: > On Saturday 15 May 2010, Nicolas Alvarez wrote: >> After some stracing: It doesn't just stat the files. It first stats, then >> actually opens the files and *reads* the first few bytes of all of them >> (where the HTTP cache information is stored). > > Yes, the heade

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-17 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Mittwoch 12 Mai 2010 schrieb Mike Kasick: > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 04:51:23PM +0200, Alejandro Exojo wrote: > > I think that disk usage is an issue in most software, not just KDE > > apps. For example, look at ~/.thumbnails, and you will see that is > > probably filled with many thumbnails of i

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-15 Thread Allan Sandfeld Jensen
On Saturday 15 May 2010, Nicolas Alvarez wrote: > Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: > > On Thursday 13 May 2010, Nicolas Alvarez wrote: > >> As a KDE4.3 user with 1TB of disk, I'm way more annoyed at > >> kio_http_cache_cleaner starting regularly and eating my computer's I/O > >> than the HTTP cache gro

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-14 Thread Nicolas Alvarez
Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: > On Thursday 13 May 2010, Nicolas Alvarez wrote: >> As a KDE4.3 user with 1TB of disk, I'm way more annoyed at >> kio_http_cache_cleaner starting regularly and eating my computer's I/O >> than the HTTP cache growing big. I can easily notice when the the cache >> cleane

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-14 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 17:36, Christoph Burgmer wrote: > 4.4 was supposed to have major improvements over 4.3. 4.2 was supposed to fix > major issues of 4.1 and 4.0. Also called, I believe, the first "stable" > version > of KDE 4. Every minor release has been significantly better than its pred

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-14 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Friday 14 May 2010 12:55:45 Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: > On Friday 14 May 2010, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > noatime "breaks" a few applications. I recommend against it. > > > > I've not seen similar issues with relatime, although it is theoretically > > possible. I mount using relatime

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-14 Thread Allan Sandfeld Jensen
On Friday 14 May 2010, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > On Friday 14 May 2010 11:37:19 Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: > > On Thursday 13 May 2010, Nicolas Alvarez wrote: > > > There *has* to be a better way to clean an HTTP cache than to stat > > > every single file in the cache to then delete a tiny

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-14 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Friday 14 May 2010 11:37:19 Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: > On Thursday 13 May 2010, Nicolas Alvarez wrote: > > There *has* to be a better way to clean an HTTP cache than to stat every > > single file in the cache to then delete a tiny fraction of them. Someone > > told me 4.4 improved in this ar

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-14 Thread Allan Sandfeld Jensen
On Thursday 13 May 2010, Nicolas Alvarez wrote: > As a KDE4.3 user with 1TB of disk, I'm way more annoyed at > kio_http_cache_cleaner starting regularly and eating my computer's I/O than > the HTTP cache growing big. I can easily notice when the the cache cleaner > is running from the HD light, the

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-13 Thread Christoph Burgmer
> As a KDE4.3 user with 1TB of disk, I'm way more annoyed at > kio_http_cache_cleaner starting regularly and eating my computer's I/O than > the HTTP cache growing big. I can easily notice when the the cache cleaner > is running from the HD light, the HD noise, and the general system lag. > > Ther

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-13 Thread Nicolas Alvarez
Mike Kasick wrote: > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 04:51:23PM +0200, Alejandro Exojo wrote: > >> I think that disk usage is an issue in most software, not just KDE apps. >> For example, look at ~/.thumbnails, and you will see that is probably >> filled with many thumbnails of images that you deleted lon

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-13 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Wednesday, 2010-05-12, Mike Kasick wrote: > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:48:43AM +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: > > > - Disable "kres-migrator". Or at least add a debconf option to > > > kdepim-runtime presenting the option of running kres-migrator by > > > default or disabling it. > > > > Did

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-13 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Wednesday, 2010-05-12, Mike Kasick wrote: > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:41:35AM +0200, Kevin Krammer wrote: > > Since you are writing a bit down that you think it is caused by > > kres-migrator, where did you get it from (here it seems to be part of > > the kdepim-runtime package). > > Yes, kres

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 12 May 2010 17:22:21 Alejandro Exojo wrote: > El Miércoles, 12 de Mayo de 2010, Frederik Schwarzer escribió: > > If you want to have these images there in case they are needed, keep the > > folder, if disk space is more important than loading speed, remove it > > regularily. > > Of co

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Alejandro Exojo
El Miércoles, 12 de Mayo de 2010, Frederik Schwarzer escribió: > If you want to have these images there in case they are needed, keep the > folder, if disk space is more important than loading speed, remove it > regularily. Of course, that's what I do. But a plain user should not be asked to regul

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Mike Kasick
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:48:43AM +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: > > - Disable "kres-migrator".  Or at least add a debconf option to > >  kdepim-runtime presenting the option of running kres-migrator by default > >  or disabling it. > > Did you do any research as to what the longer-term implicat

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Mike Kasick
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 04:51:23PM +0200, Alejandro Exojo wrote: > I think that disk usage is an issue in most software, not just KDE apps. > For example, look at ~/.thumbnails, and you will see that is probably > filled with many thumbnails of images that you deleted long ago or that > you saw ju

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Mike Kasick
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:48:43AM +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: > > - Disable "kres-migrator".  Or at least add a debconf option to > >  kdepim-runtime presenting the option of running kres-migrator by default > >  or disabling it. > > Did you do any research as to what the longer-term implicat

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Mike Kasick
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 04:51:23PM +0200, Alejandro Exojo wrote: > I think that disk usage is an issue in most software, not just KDE apps. > For example, look at ~/.thumbnails, and you will see that is probably > filled with many thumbnails of images that you deleted long ago or that > you saw ju

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Mike Kasick
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:41:35AM +0200, Kevin Krammer wrote: > Since you are writing a bit down that you think it is caused by > kres-migrator, > where did you get it from (here it seems to be part of the kdepim-runtime > package). Yes, kres-migrator is part of kdepim-runtime. I do have tha

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 12 May 2010 11:47:08 Modestas Vainius wrote: > On trečiadienis 12 Gegužė 2010 18:48:04 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > Virtuoso, Akonadi, and Strigi (among > > others) may be appropriate for a upgrade before either the freeze or the > > KDE SC 4.5.0 release. The KDE-integration part

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Christoph Burgmer
Am Mittwoch, 12. Mai 2010 schrieb Alejandro Exojo: > El Miércoles, 12 de Mayo de 2010, Christoph Burgmer escribió: > > Am Mittwoch, 12. Mai 2010 schrieb Alejandro Exojo: > > > I think that disk usage is an issue in most software, not just KDE > > > apps. For example, look at ~/.thumbnails, and you

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Modestas Vainius
Hello, On trečiadienis 12 Gegužė 2010 18:48:04 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > Options: > 1. Conspire to keep the RC-bug count high enough on other packages for > long enough that KDE 4.5 gets into testing. > 2. Convince upstream to to release KDE SC 4.4½.0 before the freeze, or > roll these new

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Frederik Schwarzer
[Alejandro Exojo - Mittwoch 12 Mai 2010 18:28:35] > El Miércoles, 12 de Mayo de 2010, Christoph Burgmer escribió: > > Am Mittwoch, 12. Mai 2010 schrieb Alejandro Exojo: > > > I think that disk usage is an issue in most software, not just KDE apps. > > > For example, look at ~/.thumbnails, and you

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Alejandro Exojo
El Miércoles, 12 de Mayo de 2010, Christoph Burgmer escribió: > Am Mittwoch, 12. Mai 2010 schrieb Alejandro Exojo: > > I think that disk usage is an issue in most software, not just KDE apps. > > For example, look at ~/.thumbnails, and you will see that is probably > > filled with many thumbnails o

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Christoph Burgmer
Am Mittwoch, 12. Mai 2010 schrieb Noah Meyerhans: > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:48:43AM +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: > > > - Long term: Don't use MySQL as the default Akonadi backend, which is > > > currently infeasible. > > > > It is my understanding that KDE 4.5 will let you choose different >

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 12 May 2010 10:14:52 Noah Meyerhans wrote: > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:48:43AM +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: > > > - Long term: Don't use MySQL as the default Akonadi backend, which is > > > currently infeasible. > > > > It is my understanding that KDE 4.5 will let you choose differ

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Christoph Burgmer
Am Mittwoch, 12. Mai 2010 schrieb Alejandro Exojo: > I think that disk usage is an issue in most software, not just KDE apps. > For example, look at ~/.thumbnails, and you will see that is probably > filled with many thumbnails of images that you deleted long ago or that > you saw just once. Same t

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:48:43AM +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: > > - Long term: Don't use MySQL as the default Akonadi backend, which is > >  currently infeasible. > > It is my understanding that KDE 4.5 will let you choose different > backends. Recent threads on this list suggest that 4.5 wil

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Alejandro Exojo
El Miércoles, 12 de Mayo de 2010, Mike Kasick escribió: > Apologies for my rant.  I just can't comprehend how such disk usage is even > remotely acceptable for PIM usage patterns. Thanks a lot for doing this research. I've noticed that Akonadi takes a lot of space in ~/.local and I was concerned,

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 02:53, Mike Kasick wrote: > - Long term: Don't use MySQL as the default Akonadi backend, which is >  currently infeasible. It is my understanding that KDE 4.5 will let you choose different backends. > - Disable "kres-migrator".  Or at least add a debconf option to >  kd

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Wednesday, 2010-05-12, Mike Kasick wrote: > KDE 4 uses Akonadi as its PIM storage backend. Akonadi, at least in > unstable, only supports MySQL (and PostgreSQL) as backends. And the > default configuration of Akonadi is to run a per-user instance of MySQL > with InnoDB tables with two 64 MB t

KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-11 Thread Mike Kasick
Folks, I've looked around the "KDE 4.4.3 in unstable" thread and elsewhere, and I didn't see this specific issue come up, although I think it's generally well known. In any event, I upgraded my unstable machine today, which was a few weeks behind, and it pulled in KDE 4.4.3. First thing I notice