Re: newer jikes may never get to testing (and thus stable)

2003-09-19 Thread Adam Majer
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 03:03:29PM -0400, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote: > On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 14:32, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > What you are missing is that Debian binary packages must stay in sync with > > their source package, which means that all of the packages that jikes builds > > are handled

Re: findjava requirement (was: 4. RfD for a new debian java policy)

2003-09-19 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Ben, I like academic discusions :) * Ben Burton wrote: >> * editors or other interactive things (telnet, www-browser) >> * different version of the same tool (autoconf, gcc, shells) >> * apps which do not require commandline apps (x-session-manager) >> * things which behave the same (x-curs

Re: newer jikes may never get to testing (and thus stable)

2003-09-19 Thread Ean Schuessler
I'm not sure that it would make sense to have scripts in the Kaffe build for all of the Java programs Kaffe could possibly run. If these scripts are mostly stand alone shell scripts that make adjustments to the classpath then it would seem that they can easily be made standalone source packages. W

Re: newer jikes may never get to testing (and thus stable)

2003-09-19 Thread Ean Schuessler
I don't see that putting the wrappers in the JVM package is a good solution. It would be like libc6 having wrappers for a bunch of programs that expect libc to be in some unusual location. Eventually Kaffe will have dozens or hundreds of wrappers in its package and would, I guess, depend on all of

Re: newer jikes may never get to testing (and thus stable)

2003-09-19 Thread Grzegorz B. Prokopski
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 18:28, Ean Schuessler wrote: > I don't see that putting the wrappers in the JVM package is a good > solution. It would be like libc6 having wrappers for a bunch of programs > that expect libc to be in some unusual location. It's really flawed comparison. You really have only

Re: newer jikes may never get to testing (and thus stable)

2003-09-19 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 19:11, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote: > > Eventually Kaffe will have dozens or hundreds of wrappers > What?!? What dozens? We're *probably* talking about *ONE* wrapper that > is already in the distro thought created from different source. I thought we were talking about things

Re: newer jikes may never get to testing (and thus stable)

2003-09-19 Thread Adam Majer
On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 08:10:31PM -0500, Ean Schuessler wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 19:11, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote: > > > Eventually Kaffe will have dozens or hundreds of wrappers > > What?!? What dozens? We're *probably* talking about *ONE* wrapper that > > is already in the distro thought

Re: newer jikes may never get to testing (and thus stable)

2003-09-19 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 20:18, Adam Majer wrote: > Yes, but there is not that many Java compilers in debian. :) > I really doubt that there will ever be even half a dozen > compilers. Why would wrappers be confined only to compilers? Any program that might be run by Kaffe (Freenet, Ant, etc.) could

Re: newer jikes may never get to testing (and thus stable)

2003-09-19 Thread Adam Majer
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 03:03:29PM -0400, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote: > On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 14:32, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > What you are missing is that Debian binary packages must stay in sync with > > their source package, which means that all of the packages that jikes builds > > are handled

Re: findjava requirement (was: 4. RfD for a new debian java policy)

2003-09-19 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Ben, I like academic discusions :) * Ben Burton wrote: >> * editors or other interactive things (telnet, www-browser) >> * different version of the same tool (autoconf, gcc, shells) >> * apps which do not require commandline apps (x-session-manager) >> * things which behave the same (x-curs

Re: newer jikes may never get to testing (and thus stable)

2003-09-19 Thread Ean Schuessler
I'm not sure that it would make sense to have scripts in the Kaffe build for all of the Java programs Kaffe could possibly run. If these scripts are mostly stand alone shell scripts that make adjustments to the classpath then it would seem that they can easily be made standalone source packages. W

Re: newer jikes may never get to testing (and thus stable)

2003-09-19 Thread Ean Schuessler
I don't see that putting the wrappers in the JVM package is a good solution. It would be like libc6 having wrappers for a bunch of programs that expect libc to be in some unusual location. Eventually Kaffe will have dozens or hundreds of wrappers in its package and would, I guess, depend on all of

Re: newer jikes may never get to testing (and thus stable)

2003-09-19 Thread Grzegorz B. Prokopski
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 18:28, Ean Schuessler wrote: > I don't see that putting the wrappers in the JVM package is a good > solution. It would be like libc6 having wrappers for a bunch of programs > that expect libc to be in some unusual location. It's really flawed comparison. You really have only

Re: newer jikes may never get to testing (and thus stable)

2003-09-19 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 19:11, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote: > > Eventually Kaffe will have dozens or hundreds of wrappers > What?!? What dozens? We're *probably* talking about *ONE* wrapper that > is already in the distro thought created from different source. I thought we were talking about things

Re: newer jikes may never get to testing (and thus stable)

2003-09-19 Thread Adam Majer
On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 08:10:31PM -0500, Ean Schuessler wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 19:11, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote: > > > Eventually Kaffe will have dozens or hundreds of wrappers > > What?!? What dozens? We're *probably* talking about *ONE* wrapper that > > is already in the distro thought

Re: newer jikes may never get to testing (and thus stable)

2003-09-19 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 20:18, Adam Majer wrote: > Yes, but there is not that many Java compilers in debian. :) > I really doubt that there will ever be even half a dozen > compilers. Why would wrappers be confined only to compilers? Any program that might be run by Kaffe (Freenet, Ant, etc.) could