Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-10 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* jamie | On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 02:09:49PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | > at least most of it. the jde in unstable depends on semantic-beta and | > speedbar-beta which aren't installed into the archive yet (they are | > new packages). You can fetch those two packages from | > http://samfun

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-10 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* jamie | On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 02:09:49PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | > at least most of it. the jde in unstable depends on semantic-beta and | > speedbar-beta which aren't installed into the archive yet (they are | > new packages). You can fetch those two packages from | > http://samfu

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-09 Thread jamie
On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 02:09:49PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > at least most of it. the jde in unstable depends on semantic-beta and > speedbar-beta which aren't installed into the archive yet (they are > new packages). You can fetch those two packages from > http://samfundet.no/~tfheen/ tr

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-09 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* jamie | I'm currently just using emacs + jde. emacs has great cvs integration | and you can configure jde to use ant as it's build tool. | | best part is you can apt-get all of it =) at least most of it. the jde in unstable depends on semantic-beta and speedbar-beta which aren't installed i

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-09 Thread Malcolm Robbins
It needs 64M to 128MB to run really well though for a decent sized project. regards - Original Message - From: "Alex Lau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Nicos Panayides" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 12:37 AM Subject: Re: deb for netbeans

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-08 Thread Nicolai P Guba
On Wednesday 08 May 2002 1:37 pm, Alex Lau wrote: > I don't think the problem is the speed rather the ram problem... It run > fine in my Celeon 400 > but I 1G of ram. It run ok. Editing the ide.conf to allow for more ram for the vm makes a lot of sense. Pity that Sun has such a grip on Java. Tr

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-08 Thread Geoff Beaumont
Alex Lau wrote: Not to start a fight or angthing pure educational question :) I really don't see how you can use JEdit to replace Netbean. I know it allows plugins but I couldn't find much online... I don't know how availiable that is... ( openIDE is very complete :) , sorry I'm a hardcore netbea

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-08 Thread Alex Lau
I don't think the problem is the speed rather the ram problem... It run fine in my Celeon 400 but I 1G of ram. It run ok. And I really don't think any Java IDE out there is much or even possible faster then Netbeans Eclipse from IBM is in C that may clear your too slow* problem. Good luck. Alex

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-06 Thread Geoff Beaumont
On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 19:01, Nicos Panayides wrote: > Any suggestions on a Java IDE? I want something more powerful than an editor > (auto-completion, ant and cvs integration, jsp and j2ee facilities would > be nice also). Free or not-free (license) is not an issue since I'll be > using it mainly f

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-06 Thread Vikram
Have you tried Eclipse [http://www.eclipse.org] ? Its a programmers IDE but there are "plugins" for java. The newsgroup recently had a J2EE plugin as well. YMMV. Regards, Vikram On 6 May 2002, Nicos Panayides wrote: > After the whole discussion whether the package can

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-06 Thread jamie
I'm currently just using emacs + jde. emacs has great cvs integration and you can configure jde to use ant as it's build tool. best part is you can apt-get all of it =) On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 11:01:18AM -0700, Nicos Panayides wrote: > After the whole discussion whether the package can be packag

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-06 Thread Nicos Panayides
After the whole discussion whether the package can be packaged or not let me say this. Even if it is packaged most people will not use it simply because it is so damn slow. I try almost every Forte/Netbeans release it comes out hoping that it can run at a decent speed on my p3/500. So far it is so

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-06 Thread Peter Novodvorsky
Tom Tromey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> "Chris" == Chris Halls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Chris> No, it's not fixed yet. I am still building OOo packages with > Chris> an installed Blackdown JDK. Peter is working on removing Java > Chris> still. We have a much easier task than Netbea

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-06 Thread Geoff Beaumont
On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 19:01, Nicos Panayides wrote: > Any suggestions on a Java IDE? I want something more powerful than an editor > (auto-completion, ant and cvs integration, jsp and j2ee facilities would > be nice also). Free or not-free (license) is not an issue since I'll be > using it mainly

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-06 Thread Vikram
Have you tried Eclipse [http://www.eclipse.org] ? Its a programmers IDE but there are "plugins" for java. The newsgroup recently had a J2EE plugin as well. YMMV. Regards, Vikram On 6 May 2002, Nicos Panayides wrote: > After the whole discussion whether the package can

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-06 Thread jamie
I'm currently just using emacs + jde. emacs has great cvs integration and you can configure jde to use ant as it's build tool. best part is you can apt-get all of it =) On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 11:01:18AM -0700, Nicos Panayides wrote: > After the whole discussion whether the package can be packa

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-06 Thread Tom Tromey
> "Chris" == Chris Halls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Chris> No, it's not fixed yet. I am still building OOo packages with Chris> an installed Blackdown JDK. Peter is working on removing Java Chris> still. We have a much easier task than Netbeans, since Java Chris> support is an optional ext

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-06 Thread Nicos Panayides
After the whole discussion whether the package can be packaged or not let me say this. Even if it is packaged most people will not use it simply because it is so damn slow. I try almost every Forte/Netbeans release it comes out hoping that it can run at a decent speed on my p3/500. So far it is so

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-06 Thread Chris Halls
On Sat, May 04, 2002 at 02:33:21PM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > I thought that the build process of OpenOffice depended on [I'm being > > vague here :-(] "some bundle of Java2 stuff," which would have the > > result that despite OpenOffice itself being "free sof

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-06 Thread Peter Novodvorsky
Tom Tromey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> "Chris" == Chris Halls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Chris> No, it's not fixed yet. I am still building OOo packages with > Chris> an installed Blackdown JDK. Peter is working on removing Java > Chris> still. We have a much easier task than Netbe

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-06 Thread Tom Tromey
> "Chris" == Chris Halls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Chris> No, it's not fixed yet. I am still building OOo packages with Chris> an installed Blackdown JDK. Peter is working on removing Java Chris> still. We have a much easier task than Netbeans, since Java Chris> support is an optional ex

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-06 Thread Chris Halls
On Sat, May 04, 2002 at 02:33:21PM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > I thought that the build process of OpenOffice depended on [I'm being > > vague here :-(] "some bundle of Java2 stuff," which would have the > > result that despite OpenOffice itself being "free so

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-05 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 11:39:24AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 12:21:46PM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > > On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 01:12:49AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > Re-read what I wrote, and you will see that I made it perfectly clear > > > that non-free was

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 12:21:46PM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 01:12:49AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > Re-read what I wrote, and you will see that I made it perfectly clear > > that non-free was not included in "software available in Debian". > > > > The software in

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-05 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 11:39:24AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 12:21:46PM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > > On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 01:12:49AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > Re-read what I wrote, and you will see that I made it perfectly clear > > > that non-free wa

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 12:21:46PM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 01:12:49AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > Re-read what I wrote, and you will see that I made it perfectly clear > > that non-free was not included in "software available in Debian". > > > > The software in

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-05 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 01:12:49AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 12:45:24AM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > > On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 06:37:14PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > > > Ainsi parlait Vendredi 3 Mai 2002 04:12, Matt Zimmerman : > > > > Assuming that it requires

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-05 Thread franck routier
Hi, Well, I really dion't know Maybe take a look at http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-04-2002/jw-0412-opensource.html This is just a few thoughts, but it's quite interesting. It's where I read about the "possibility" of open-source (free ?) JVM implementations for J2SE 1.5. Regards, Fr

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-05 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 01:12:49AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 12:45:24AM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > > On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 06:37:14PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > > > Ainsi parlait Vendredi 3 Mai 2002 04:12, Matt Zimmerman : > > > > Assuming that it require

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-05 Thread franck routier
Hi, Well, I really dion't know Maybe take a look at http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-04-2002/jw-0412-opensource.html This is just a few thoughts, but it's quite interesting. It's where I read about the "possibility" of open-source (free ?) JVM implementations for J2SE 1.5. Regards, F

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 12:45:24AM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 06:37:14PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > > Ainsi parlait Vendredi 3 Mai 2002 04:12, Matt Zimmerman : > > > Assuming that it requires a Java2 virtual machine, it isn't useful with > > > software available in

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-04 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 12:45:24AM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 06:37:14PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > > Ainsi parlait Vendredi 3 Mai 2002 04:12, Matt Zimmerman : > > > Assuming that it requires a Java2 virtual machine, it isn't useful with > > > software available i

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-04 Thread Ola Lundqvist
Hi I'll answer a lot of things in this tread at the same time. On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 06:37:14PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Ainsi parlait Vendredi 3 Mai 2002 04:12, Matt Zimmerman : > > On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 02:09:40AM +0200, Roman Kennke wrote: > > > I wondered if there is a deb availab

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-04 Thread Jim Pick
> I thought that the build process of OpenOffice depended on [I'm being > vague here :-(] "some bundle of Java2 stuff," which would have the > result that despite OpenOffice itself being "free software," since a > build requires distinctly nonfree stuff, it can't go in "free." > > It's almost enou

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-04 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I thought that the build process of OpenOffice depended on [I'm being > vague here :-(] "some bundle of Java2 stuff," which would have the > result that despite OpenOffice itself being "free software," since a > build requires distinctly nonfree stuff, it can't go in "f

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-04 Thread Ola Lundqvist
Hi I'll answer a lot of things in this tread at the same time. On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 06:37:14PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Ainsi parlait Vendredi 3 Mai 2002 04:12, Matt Zimmerman : > > On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 02:09:40AM +0200, Roman Kennke wrote: > > > I wondered if there is a deb availa

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-04 Thread Jim Pick
> I thought that the build process of OpenOffice depended on [I'm being > vague here :-(] "some bundle of Java2 stuff," which would have the > result that despite OpenOffice itself being "free software," since a > build requires distinctly nonfree stuff, it can't go in "free." > > It's almost eno

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-04 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I thought that the build process of OpenOffice depended on [I'm being > vague here :-(] "some bundle of Java2 stuff," which would have the > result that despite OpenOffice itself being "free software," since a > build requires distinctly nonfree stuff, it can't go in "

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-03 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 02:54:01PM -0700, Nicos Panayides wrote: > Ok then. I wasn't too sure about it anyway. By the way since there are > several different specifications (1.2, 1.3, 1.4) for java2 vm (and their > base libraries), shouldn't there be some way to handle dependencies on > specificat

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-03 Thread Nicos Panayides
Ok then. I wasn't too sure about it anyway. By the way since there are several different specifications (1.2, 1.3, 1.4) for java2 vm (and their base libraries), shouldn't there be some way to handle dependencies on specifications? For instance i have a project that needs 1.4. Right now i don't see

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-03 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 02:54:01PM -0700, Nicos Panayides wrote: > Ok then. I wasn't too sure about it anyway. By the way since there are > several different specifications (1.2, 1.3, 1.4) for java2 vm (and their > base libraries), shouldn't there be some way to handle dependencies on > specifica

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-03 Thread Nicos Panayides
Ok then. I wasn't too sure about it anyway. By the way since there are several different specifications (1.2, 1.3, 1.4) for java2 vm (and their base libraries), shouldn't there be some way to handle dependencies on specifications? For instance i have a project that needs 1.4. Right now i don't see

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-03 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Ainsi parlait Vendredi 3 Mai 2002 04:12, Matt Zimmerman : > On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 02:09:40AM +0200, Roman Kennke wrote: > > I wondered if there is a deb available for Netbeans? Its a great open > > source IDE, I think. Or is there something wrong with the license? > > Assuming that it requires a

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-03 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 02:42:48PM +0400, Lev B. Olkhovich wrote: > Sorry if that's obvious, but what's wrong with Sun jvm (JRE SE 1.4)? > I thought that it is suitable for non-free... (sections 2,3 of JRE SE > license) http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch2.html -- - mdz --

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-03 Thread Tom Tromey
> "Franck" == franck routier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Franck> Did anyone analyse the move Sun made under the Apache Franck> Foundation pressure ? I've read it could lead to truly free Franck> JVM, maybe for java 1.5 ? That's very unlikely. I think the best you can hope for is that you'll

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-03 Thread cbbrowne
On Fri, 03 May 2002 09:45:21 EDT, the world broke into rejoicing as Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 11:46:42PM -0700, Nicos Panayides wrote: > > > I was wondering now that you mensioned the java2 vm. I've seen on the > > "packages being worked on" list that open

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-03 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Ainsi parlait Vendredi 3 Mai 2002 04:12, Matt Zimmerman : > On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 02:09:40AM +0200, Roman Kennke wrote: > > I wondered if there is a deb available for Netbeans? Its a great open > > source IDE, I think. Or is there something wrong with the license? > > Assuming that it requires a

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-03 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 11:46:42PM -0700, Nicos Panayides wrote: > I was wondering now that you mensioned the java2 vm. I've seen on the > "packages being worked on" list that openoffice debs are being prepared. > I am not sure how accurate this list is but openoffice is on. As far as > i know bot

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-03 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 02:42:48PM +0400, Lev B. Olkhovich wrote: > Sorry if that's obvious, but what's wrong with Sun jvm (JRE SE 1.4)? > I thought that it is suitable for non-free... (sections 2,3 of JRE SE > license) http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch2.html -- - mdz --

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-03 Thread Tom Tromey
> "Franck" == franck routier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Franck> Did anyone analyse the move Sun made under the Apache Franck> Foundation pressure ? I've read it could lead to truly free Franck> JVM, maybe for java 1.5 ? That's very unlikely. I think the best you can hope for is that you'll

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-03 Thread cbbrowne
On Fri, 03 May 2002 09:45:21 EDT, the world broke into rejoicing as Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 11:46:42PM -0700, Nicos Panayides wrote: > > > I was wondering now that you mensioned the java2 vm. I've seen on the > > "packages being worked on" list that ope

RE: deb for netbeans

2002-05-03 Thread Lev B. Olkhovich
Hello, > On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 02:09:40AM +0200, Roman Kennke wrote: > > > I wondered if there is a deb available for Netbeans? Its a great open > > source IDE, I think. Or is there something wrong with the license? > > Assuming that it requires a Java2 virtual machine, it isn't useful with > so

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-03 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 11:46:42PM -0700, Nicos Panayides wrote: > I was wondering now that you mensioned the java2 vm. I've seen on the > "packages being worked on" list that openoffice debs are being prepared. > I am not sure how accurate this list is but openoffice is on. As far as > i know bo

RE: deb for netbeans

2002-05-03 Thread Lev B. Olkhovich
Hello, > On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 02:09:40AM +0200, Roman Kennke wrote: > > > I wondered if there is a deb available for Netbeans? Its a great open > > source IDE, I think. Or is there something wrong with the license? > > Assuming that it requires a Java2 virtual machine, it isn't useful with > s

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-03 Thread franck routier
le ven 03-05-2002 à 04:12, Matt Zimmerman a écrit : > On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 02:09:40AM +0200, Roman Kennke wrote: > > > I wondered if there is a deb available for Netbeans? Its a great open > > source IDE, I think. Or is there something wrong with the license? > > Assuming that it requires a Ja

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-03 Thread Nicos Panayides
I was wondering now that you mensioned the java2 vm. I've seen on the "packages being worked on" list that openoffice debs are being prepared. I am not sure how accurate this list is but openoffice is on. As far as i know both openoffice and sun's jdk have the same licenses. How come sun's jdk (or

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-02 Thread franck routier
le ven 03-05-2002 à 04:12, Matt Zimmerman a écrit : > On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 02:09:40AM +0200, Roman Kennke wrote: > > > I wondered if there is a deb available for Netbeans? Its a great open > > source IDE, I think. Or is there something wrong with the license? > > Assuming that it requires a J

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-02 Thread Nicos Panayides
I was wondering now that you mensioned the java2 vm. I've seen on the "packages being worked on" list that openoffice debs are being prepared. I am not sure how accurate this list is but openoffice is on. As far as i know both openoffice and sun's jdk have the same licenses. How come sun's jdk (or

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-02 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 02:09:40AM +0200, Roman Kennke wrote: > I wondered if there is a deb available for Netbeans? Its a great open > source IDE, I think. Or is there something wrong with the license? Assuming that it requires a Java2 virtual machine, it isn't useful with software available in

deb for netbeans

2002-05-02 Thread Roman Kennke
Hi there, I wondered if there is a deb available for Netbeans? Its a great open source IDE, I think. Or is there something wrong with the license? Regards, Roman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-02 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 02:09:40AM +0200, Roman Kennke wrote: > I wondered if there is a deb available for Netbeans? Its a great open > source IDE, I think. Or is there something wrong with the license? Assuming that it requires a Java2 virtual machine, it isn't useful with software available in

deb for netbeans

2002-05-02 Thread Roman Kennke
Hi there, I wondered if there is a deb available for Netbeans? Its a great open source IDE, I think. Or is there something wrong with the license? Regards, Roman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]