Franck Routier wrote:
>
> So what ? Are you all telling me you are going to develop a Moz plugin
> for IBM JDK, or that your are going to implement a jit for Blackdown, or
> what
How about a Java3D-based applet that seamlessly extends IE
and Netscape to handle 3D pages as well as 2D pages?
On 2002-05-25 at 08:38, Rick Lutowski wrote:
> The problem IMO is that these powerful technologies are
> frequently used simply for glitz and not to provide real
> content or capability. The same can be said about
> 'gratuitous gifs', i.e., using image files to implement
> simple things like a li
Michel Dänzer wrote:
>
> > What is so bad about Java and Flash anyway?
>
> They're not bad per se, but IME they're mostly good for complementary
> stuff and sites which require them are simply broken IMHO
> ('accessibility' comes to mind).
The problem IMO is that these powerful technologies are
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 05:08, Albert D. Cahalan wrote:
> Josh Huber writes:
> > Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized.
> >> 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers
> >> 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Java 3D for browsers
> >>
Franck Routier wrote:
>
> So what ? Are you all telling me you are going to develop a Moz plugin
> for IBM JDK, or that your are going to implement a jit for Blackdown, or
> what
How about a Java3D-based applet that seamlessly extends IE
and Netscape to handle 3D pages as well as 2D pages?
On 2002-05-25 at 08:38, Rick Lutowski wrote:
> The problem IMO is that these powerful technologies are
> frequently used simply for glitz and not to provide real
> content or capability. The same can be said about
> 'gratuitous gifs', i.e., using image files to implement
> simple things like a l
Michel Dänzer wrote:
>
> > What is so bad about Java and Flash anyway?
>
> They're not bad per se, but IME they're mostly good for complementary
> stuff and sites which require them are simply broken IMHO
> ('accessibility' comes to mind).
The problem IMO is that these powerful technologies are
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 05:08, Albert D. Cahalan wrote:
> Josh Huber writes:
> > Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized.
> >> 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers
> >> 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Java 3D for browsers
> >>
Sure, but the subject was : we've finally got a JVM with JIT under PPC
Linux, and that's nice...
Oh I agree. I installed it earlier today and it makes Tomcat go
"whoosh!". Strangely it makes BeanShell take much longer to start up
though.
So what ? Are you all telling me you are going to develo
Le ven 24/05/2002 à 21:54, Wilhelm *Rafial* Fitzpatrick a écrit :
> As satisfying as it may be for us to wallow in our "uphill, both
> ways, in the snow, img tag the cause of all moral failings"
> attitudes, it does occur every now and then in my workaday life that
> I must go and wrest some ti
>Sure, but the subject was : we've finally got a JVM with JIT under PPC
>Linux, and that's nice...
Oh I agree. I installed it earlier today and it makes Tomcat go
"whoosh!". Strangely it makes BeanShell take much longer to start up
though.
>So what ? Are you all telling me you are going to d
Le ven 24/05/2002 à 21:54, Wilhelm *Rafial* Fitzpatrick a écrit :
> As satisfying as it may be for us to wallow in our "uphill, both
> ways, in the snow, img tag the cause of all moral failings"
> attitudes, it does occur every now and then in my workaday life that
> I must go and wrest some t
Josh Huber writes:
> Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized.
>> 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers
>> 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Java 3D for browsers
>> 3. No Java 3D for browsers = no 3D for the Web
>
> And this is a pro
At 9:44 AM +0900 5/25/02, electric-light-heads wrote:
mmm..then which JDK wil be the best
to do only text oriented io & claculations?
am only planning to use java to do
xml > calc > text > csound > jsyn
If you are not planning to use any of the UI toolkits (Swing/AWT) you
might give gcj a whirl an
electric-light-heads wrote:
>
> mmm..then which JDK wil be the best
> to do only text oriented io & claculations?
>
> am only planning to use java to do
> xml > calc > text > csound > jsyn
xml = JDK 1.4
More rationale for Java Plug-in
Browsers can't stay stuck at 1.1 forever or we all suffer
(
Josh Huber writes:
> Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized.
>> 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers
>> 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Java 3D for browsers
>> 3. No Java 3D for browsers = no 3D for the Web
>
> And this is a pr
mmm..then which JDK wil be the best
to do only text oriented io & claculations?
am only planning to use java to do
xml > calc > text > csound > jsyn
> > Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized.
> > 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers
> > 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Ja
At 9:44 AM +0900 5/25/02, electric-light-heads wrote:
>mmm..then which JDK wil be the best
>to do only text oriented io & claculations?
>
>am only planning to use java to do
>xml > calc > text > csound > jsyn
If you are not planning to use any of the UI toolkits (Swing/AWT) you
might give gcj a
electric-light-heads wrote:
>
> mmm..then which JDK wil be the best
> to do only text oriented io & claculations?
>
> am only planning to use java to do
> xml > calc > text > csound > jsyn
xml = JDK 1.4
More rationale for Java Plug-in
Browsers can't stay stuck at 1.1 forever or we all suffer
mmm..then which JDK wil be the best
to do only text oriented io & claculations?
am only planning to use java to do
xml > calc > text > csound > jsyn
> > Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized.
> > 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers
> > 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no J
> And this is a problem why? IMHO, the web is much nicer without java &
> flash.
Amen.
As satisfying as it may be for us to wallow in our "uphill, both
ways, in the snow, img tag the cause of all moral failings"
attitudes, it does occur every now and then in my workaday life that
I must go an
Le ven 24/05/2002 à 20:23, Josh Huber a écrit :
>
> And this is a problem why? IMHO, the web is much nicer without java &
> flash.
I also don't think java is for client side stuff. Anyway, one can still
use Blackdown JDK if java plugin is needed :-)
But if you run stuff like Tomcat, JBoss, Jona
Josh Huber wrote:
>
> Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized.
> > 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers
> > 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Java 3D for browsers
> > 3. No Java 3D for browsers = no 3D for the Web
>
> And this
Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized.
> 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers
> 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Java 3D for browsers
> 3. No Java 3D for browsers = no 3D for the Web
And this is a problem why? IMHO, the web is
> > And this is a problem why? IMHO, the web is much nicer without java &
> > flash.
>Amen.
As satisfying as it may be for us to wallow in our "uphill, both
ways, in the snow, img tag the cause of all moral failings"
attitudes, it does occur every now and then in my workaday life that
I mus
Le ven 24/05/2002 à 20:23, Josh Huber a écrit :
>
> And this is a problem why? IMHO, the web is much nicer without java &
> flash.
I also don't think java is for client side stuff. Anyway, one can still
use Blackdown JDK if java plugin is needed :-)
But if you run stuff like Tomcat, JBoss, Jon
Josh Huber wrote:
>
> Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized.
> > 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers
> > 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Java 3D for browsers
> > 3. No Java 3D for browsers = no 3D for the Web
>
> And thi
Franck Routier wrote:
>
> At 12:06 24.05.2002 +0200, Jeffo wrote:
> >Allready adopted it a month or two ago.
> >Nevertheless, there is a big probleme :
> >NO JAVA PLUGIN.
> >
> >that's a quite big problem for a notebook used for accessing the internet !!
>
> Is it ??
Yes, it's a _much_ bigger pr
At 12:06 PM +0200 5/24/02, Jeffo wrote:
Allready adopted it a month or two ago.
Nevertheless, there is a big probleme :
NO JAVA PLUGIN.
that's a quite big problem for a notebook used for accessing the internet !!
Hey, I've already got two JVMs installed because Tomcat crashes
constantly under Blac
Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized.
> 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers
> 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Java 3D for browsers
> 3. No Java 3D for browsers = no 3D for the Web
And this is a problem why? IMHO, the web is
Franck Routier wrote:
>
> At 12:06 24.05.2002 +0200, Jeffo wrote:
> >Allready adopted it a month or two ago.
> >Nevertheless, there is a big probleme :
> >NO JAVA PLUGIN.
> >
> >that's a quite big problem for a notebook used for accessing the internet !!
>
> Is it ??
Yes, it's a _much_ bigger p
At 12:06 PM +0200 5/24/02, Jeffo wrote:
>Allready adopted it a month or two ago.
>Nevertheless, there is a big probleme :
>NO JAVA PLUGIN.
>
>that's a quite big problem for a notebook used for accessing the internet !!
Hey, I've already got two JVMs installed because Tomcat crashes
constantly un
At 12:06 24.05.2002 +0200, Jeffo wrote:
Allready adopted it a month or two ago.
Nevertheless, there is a big probleme :
NO JAVA PLUGIN.
that's a quite big problem for a notebook used for accessing the internet !!
Is it ??
Franck
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Nevertheless, there is a big probleme :
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that's a quite big problem for a notebook used for accessing the internet !!
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Hi,
just to make you Debian people know I had no problem running the latest IBM
JDK 1.3.0 for PPC Linux.
This JDK includes a JVM _WITH_ JIT, and outperformes by far the Blackdown JVM.
The IBM JDK is not free (in the sense of liberté) but is not for sale
either... Well, java is not free anyway...
At 12:06 24.05.2002 +0200, Jeffo wrote:
>Allready adopted it a month or two ago.
>Nevertheless, there is a big probleme :
>NO JAVA PLUGIN.
>
>that's a quite big problem for a notebook used for accessing the internet !!
Is it ??
Franck
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Allready adopted it a month or two ago.
Nevertheless, there is a big probleme :
NO JAVA PLUGIN.
that's a quite big problem for a notebook used for accessing the internet !!
jeff
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Hi,
just to make you Debian people know I had no problem running the latest IBM
JDK 1.3.0 for PPC Linux.
This JDK includes a JVM _WITH_ JIT, and outperformes by far the Blackdown JVM.
The IBM JDK is not free (in the sense of liberté) but is not for sale
either... Well, java is not free anyway
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