Re: Undistributable java in main

2003-11-02 Thread Dalibor Topic
E.L. Willighagen (Egon) wrote: On Saturday 01 November 2003 20:08, Etienne Gagnon wrote: E.L. Willighagen (Egon) wrote: The big question seems to come done to: "What part of Java is library and what part is language?" It seems to me that at least the syntax *and* java.lang *is* the language...

Re: Undistributable java in main

2003-11-02 Thread E.L. Willighagen (Egon)
On Saturday 01 November 2003 20:08, Etienne Gagnon wrote: > E.L. Willighagen (Egon) wrote: > > The big question seems to come done to: > > > > "What part of Java is library and what part is language?" > > > > It seems to me that at least the syntax *and* java.lang *is* the > > language... Thus as l

Re: Undistributable java in main

2003-11-01 Thread Dalibor Topic
Salut Etienne, Etienne Gagnon wrote: Dalibor Topic wrote: GPL says: Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. ... ... As running is clearly not covered under GPL, your argument doesn't work. Modification *IS* cove

Re: Undistributable java in main

2003-11-01 Thread Etienne Gagnon
E.L. Willighagen (Egon) wrote: The big question seems to come done to: "What part of Java is library and what part is language?" It seems to me that at least the syntax *and* java.lang *is* the language... Thus as long as you don't use anything else then java.lang classes, you can use kaffe to r

Re: Undistributable java in main

2003-11-01 Thread E.L. Willighagen (Egon)
On Saturday 01 November 2003 18:41, Etienne Gagnon wrote: > Dalibor Topic wrote: > > GPL says: > > Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not > > covered by this License; they are outside its scope. ... > > > As running is clearly not covered under GPL, your argument doesn

Re: Undistributable java in main

2003-11-01 Thread Etienne Gagnon
Dalibor Topic wrote: GPL says: Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. ... ... As running is clearly not covered under GPL, your argument doesn't work. Modification *IS* covered by the GPL. (FYI, it's not my argumen

Re: Undistributable java in main

2003-11-01 Thread Dalibor Topic
Hi Etienne, Etienne Gagnon wrote: Hi Arnaud, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: Anyway, we're switching kaffe's class library over to GNU Classpath, which is GPL + linking exception, and that should make the people who support FSFs interpretation happy, too, as GNU Classpath explicitely allows linking to

Re: Undistributable java in main

2003-11-01 Thread Etienne Gagnon
Hi Arnaud, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: Anyway, we're switching kaffe's class library over to GNU Classpath, which is GPL + linking exception, and that should make the people who support FSFs interpretation happy, too, as GNU Classpath explicitely allows linking to it. This won't necessarily change an

Re: Undistributable java in main

2003-11-01 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:32:08 +0100 Dalibor Topic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway, we're switching kaffe's class library over to GNU Classpath, > which is GPL + linking exception, and that should make the people who > support FSFs interpretation happy, too, as GNU Classpath explicitely > all

Re: Undistributable java in main

2003-10-30 Thread Brian Ristuccia
On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 10:51:23AM -0500, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote: > > PS: I hope d-l people won't mind us Cc:ing them from now on. We surely > don't want to make it another IANAL-discussion which brigns nothing > so we need some help. Please Cc:d-l when it makes sense. > Last I checked, the

Re: Undistributable java in main

2003-10-30 Thread Grzegorz B. Prokopski
W liƛcie z czw, 30-10-2003, godz. 05:32, Dalibor Topic pisze: > Anyway, we're switching kaffe's class library over to GNU Classpath, > which is GPL + linking exception, and that should make the people who > support FSFs interpretation happy, too, as GNU Classpath explicitely > allows linking to

Re: Undistributable java in main

2003-10-30 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi, On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 11:32, Dalibor Topic wrote: > Jan Schulz wrote: > > * Dalibor Topic wrote: > > > >>* figure out how you want to interpret the GPL in this case. The rest > >>follows from that. > >> > >>>Problems not touched: *execution* of GPL-incompatible code using > >>> GPLed libs an

Re: Undistributable java in main

2003-10-30 Thread Dalibor Topic
Jan Schulz wrote: Hallo Dalibor, * Dalibor Topic wrote: * figure out how you want to interpret the GPL in this case. The rest follows from that. Problems not touched: *execution* of GPL-incompatible code using GPLed libs and/or GPLed JVMs is beyond the scope of this message. Could you please

Re: Undistributable java in main

2003-10-30 Thread Stefan Gybas
Dalibor Topic wrote: B) me (and I guess a few others who are not lawyers, either): As GPL only really talks about derived works, in order to decide if the GPL applies to a work we must try to see if the new work is derived from a GPLd work, or not. FWIW, this is also my POV after reading some of

Re: Undistributable java in main

2003-10-30 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Dalibor, * Dalibor Topic wrote: >* figure out how you want to interpret the GPL in this case. The rest >follows from that. >>Problems not touched: *execution* of GPL-incompatible code using >> GPLed libs and/or GPLed JVMs is beyond the scope of this message. Could you please take this two

Re: Undistributable java in main

2003-10-29 Thread Dalibor Topic
Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote: Hi all! Hi Grzegorz, Summary: Usage of GPLed libs to compile GPL-incompatible code makes the result *undistributable*. [0] Affected java packages: Every package that contains GPL-incompatible software which was *compiled* using GPLed libs. Examples: current Ant p

Re: Undistributable java in main

2003-10-29 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
"Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Summary: Usage of GPLed libs to compile GPL-incompatible code makes > the result *undistributable*. [0] Does it? AFAIK using gcc (GPL licensed) to compile _any_ software does not make that software GPL. So, why would kaffe be a special case?