Re: Re: Java plugin advocacy

2005-08-10 Thread Patricia Enright
Hi Rick,   Your cousin Pattie in Canada.  Came upon this site by accident.  I was sorry to hear about your daughter.  I didn’t find out until weeks later.  I hope you are toughing out OK.   Pattie

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-06-02 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Rick Lutowski | Did a quick total on your stats and come up with the following | percentages: | | IE60% | NS16 (incl compat) | Moz7 | Opera 4 | Konq 3 | other 10 I guess those are a bit atypical, since it was a Linux site. Mine is from a general hardware news in Norway (www.ha

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-06-02 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Rick Lutowski | Did a quick total on your stats and come up with the following | percentages: | | IE60% | NS16 (incl compat) | Moz7 | Opera 4 | Konq 3 | other 10 I guess those are a bit atypical, since it was a Linux site. Mine is from a general hardware news in Norway (www.h

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-30 Thread Rick Lutowski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > * Rick Lutowski > > > > | (I have heard NS 4.x is 'dead', but it comprises about > > | 20% of the browser market, and they keep releaseing new > > | versions -- doesn't sound so dead to me! But it remains > > | stuck at 1.1 also. Go figure). > > > > I have no idea

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-30 Thread Rick Lutowski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > * Rick Lutowski > > > > | (I have heard NS 4.x is 'dead', but it comprises about > > | 20% of the browser market, and they keep releaseing new > > | versions -- doesn't sound so dead to me! But it remains > > | stuck at 1.1 also. Go figure). > > > > I have no idea

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-30 Thread cbbrowne
> * Rick Lutowski > > | (I have heard NS 4.x is 'dead', but it comprises about > | 20% of the browser market, and they keep releaseing new > | versions -- doesn't sound so dead to me! But it remains > | stuck at 1.1 also. Go figure). > > I have no idea where your numbers are from, but my nu

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-30 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Rick Lutowski | (I have heard NS 4.x is 'dead', but it comprises about | 20% of the browser market, and they keep releaseing new | versions -- doesn't sound so dead to me! But it remains | stuck at 1.1 also. Go figure). I have no idea where your numbers are from, but my numbers (which con

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-30 Thread cbbrowne
> * Rick Lutowski > > | (I have heard NS 4.x is 'dead', but it comprises about > | 20% of the browser market, and they keep releaseing new > | versions -- doesn't sound so dead to me! But it remains > | stuck at 1.1 also. Go figure). > > I have no idea where your numbers are from, but my n

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-30 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Rick Lutowski | (I have heard NS 4.x is 'dead', but it comprises about | 20% of the browser market, and they keep releaseing new | versions -- doesn't sound so dead to me! But it remains | stuck at 1.1 also. Go figure). I have no idea where your numbers are from, but my numbers (which co

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-29 Thread Damian Morris
On 5/29/2002 11:07 PM, Rick Lutowski wrote: The lawsuit was in the Java 1.3 timeframe. Browsers were stuck at 1.1 years before that. Also, the lawsuit did not affect Netscape 4.x, which also is stuck at 1.1 (I have heard NS 4.x is 'dead', but it comprises about 20% of the browser market, and the

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-29 Thread Damian Morris
On 5/29/2002 11:07 PM, Rick Lutowski wrote: > The lawsuit was in the Java 1.3 timeframe. Browsers > were stuck at 1.1 years before that. Also, the lawsuit > did not affect Netscape 4.x, which also is stuck at 1.1 > (I have heard NS 4.x is 'dead', but it comprises about > 20% of the browser mark

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-29 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 08:07:19AM -0500, Rick Lutowski wrote: > debian ships with NS 4,x in contrib. Debian ships without Netscape Navigator or Communicator. Netscape Navigator and Communicator 4.77 are in the non-free archive. > How difficult would it be be for the woody Netscape package to s

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-29 Thread Rick Lutowski
Damian Morris wrote: > > Browsers have been stuck at 1.1.4 for years because MS is legally > constrained by Sun from implementing any Java spec past 1.1.4. > Unfortunately, this of course suits MS to a T - they'd have had to have > tried much harder to justify something with the scope of .NET if a

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-29 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 08:07:19AM -0500, Rick Lutowski wrote: > debian ships with NS 4,x in contrib. Debian ships without Netscape Navigator or Communicator. Netscape Navigator and Communicator 4.77 are in the non-free archive. > How difficult would it be be for the woody Netscape package to

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-29 Thread Rick Lutowski
Damian Morris wrote: > > Browsers have been stuck at 1.1.4 for years because MS is legally > constrained by Sun from implementing any Java spec past 1.1.4. > Unfortunately, this of course suits MS to a T - they'd have had to have > tried much harder to justify something with the scope of .NET if

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-28 Thread Geoff Beaumont
On Tuesday 28 May 2002 10:20 pm, Rick Lutowski wrote: > Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > > as you think. Users *are* installing add-ons for flash and other crap. > > Only the more technically savvy ones. The majority of users > don't know what a plug-in is and/or couldn't care less. That's > why any tec

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-28 Thread Damian Morris
Browsers have been stuck at 1.1.4 for years because MS is legally constrained by Sun from implementing any Java spec past 1.1.4. Unfortunately, this of course suits MS to a T - they'd have had to have tried much harder to justify something with the scope of .NET if a modern J2SE-compliant JVM w

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-28 Thread Rick Lutowski
Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > > Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Why have browsers been stuck at 1.1 for years? Just a wild > > guess, but might it have something to do with MS stopping Java > > support with 1.1, and also controlling 80% of the browser market? > > It could also be becau

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-28 Thread Geoff Beaumont
On Tuesday 28 May 2002 10:20 pm, Rick Lutowski wrote: > Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > > as you think. Users *are* installing add-ons for flash and other crap. > > Only the more technically savvy ones. The majority of users > don't know what a plug-in is and/or couldn't care less. That's > why any te

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-28 Thread Damian Morris
Browsers have been stuck at 1.1.4 for years because MS is legally constrained by Sun from implementing any Java spec past 1.1.4. Unfortunately, this of course suits MS to a T - they'd have had to have tried much harder to justify something with the scope of .NET if a modern J2SE-compliant JVM

Re: Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-28 Thread Rick Lutowski
Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > > Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Why have browsers been stuck at 1.1 for years? Just a wild > > guess, but might it have something to do with MS stopping Java > > support with 1.1, and also controlling 80% of the browser market? > > It could also be beca