Re: Free Java specifications (was Re: Java Policy.)

2002-05-15 Thread Alex Lau
Does any existing linux-java group working on porting the complete API from SUN? The question I have is always down to what standard can we counting on. If you pick out the "Good" API from SUN and will that still being too "Large" for us to bite it off. I have a couple different VMs, different v

Re: Free Java specifications (was Re: Java Policy.)

2002-05-15 Thread Alex Lau
Does any existing linux-java group working on porting the complete API from SUN? The question I have is always down to what standard can we counting on. If you pick out the "Good" API from SUN and will that still being too "Large" for us to bite it off. I have a couple different VMs, different

Re: Free Java specifications (was Re: Java Policy.)

2002-05-13 Thread Eric Molitor
> 3. Netscape: The BIG MYSTERY. Why does 4.7x still ship with > JRE 1.1?!! Who even controls NS nowadays, Time Warner/ > AOL? (Translate as -- who do we bug to get this fixed?) > Does Sun have some influence with Netscape? If so, why > do they permit 4.7x to at

Re: Free Java specifications (was Re: Java Policy.)

2002-05-13 Thread Rick Lutowski
David Jardine wrote: > > > 2. Drop all Sun-deprecated classes and methods; conform only to the > >latest non-deprecated version of an API spec > > But wouldn't a lot of browsers out there be unable to handle > some of the "newer" things? Browsers have been stuck at JRE 1.1 for years. Time t

Re: Free Java specifications (was Re: Java Policy.)

2002-05-13 Thread Eric Molitor
> 3. Netscape: The BIG MYSTERY. Why does 4.7x still ship with > JRE 1.1?!! Who even controls NS nowadays, Time Warner/ > AOL? (Translate as -- who do we bug to get this fixed?) > Does Sun have some influence with Netscape? If so, why > do they permit 4.7x to a

Re: Free Java specifications (was Re: Java Policy.)

2002-05-13 Thread Rick Lutowski
David Jardine wrote: > > > 2. Drop all Sun-deprecated classes and methods; conform only to the > >latest non-deprecated version of an API spec > > But wouldn't a lot of browsers out there be unable to handle > some of the "newer" things? Browsers have been stuck at JRE 1.1 for years. Time

Re: Free Java specifications (was Re: Java Policy.)

2002-05-13 Thread David Jardine
On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 09:21:00AM -0500, Rick Lutowski wrote: > 2. Drop all Sun-deprecated classes and methods; conform only to the >latest non-deprecated version of an API spec But wouldn't a lot of browsers out there be unable to handle some of the "newer" things? David -- To UNSUBSCR

Re: Free Java specifications (was Re: Java Policy.)

2002-05-13 Thread David Jardine
On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 09:21:00AM -0500, Rick Lutowski wrote: > 2. Drop all Sun-deprecated classes and methods; conform only to the >latest non-deprecated version of an API spec But wouldn't a lot of browsers out there be unable to handle some of the "newer" things? David -- To UNSUBSC

Re: Free Java specifications (was Re: Java Policy.)

2002-05-13 Thread Rick Lutowski
Jim Pick wrote: > > Because the set of Java APIs is so large, trying to develop a set of > class libraries that works as a drop in replacement for Sun's libraries > is a very large task. In reality, it's going to be a long time before > the free java class library projects manage to reimplement 1

Re: Free Java specifications (was Re: Java Policy.)

2002-05-13 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 09:15:31PM -0700, Jim Pick wrote: > I think the Debian Java policy, as currently stated, is slightly flawed, > as it tries to satisfy two goals that aren't completely orthogonal: > > 1) To get as much free Java software into Debian as possible, that runs > without non-

Re: Free Java specifications (was Re: Java Policy.)

2002-05-13 Thread Rick Lutowski
Jim Pick wrote: > > Because the set of Java APIs is so large, trying to develop a set of > class libraries that works as a drop in replacement for Sun's libraries > is a very large task. In reality, it's going to be a long time before > the free java class library projects manage to reimplement

Re: Free Java specifications (was Re: Java Policy.)

2002-05-13 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 09:15:31PM -0700, Jim Pick wrote: > I think the Debian Java policy, as currently stated, is slightly flawed, > as it tries to satisfy two goals that aren't completely orthogonal: > > 1) To get as much free Java software into Debian as possible, that runs > without non

Free Java specifications (was Re: Java Policy.)

2002-05-12 Thread Jim Pick
I think the Debian Java policy, as currently stated, is slightly flawed, as it tries to satisfy two goals that aren't completely orthogonal: 1) To get as much free Java software into Debian as possible, that runs without non-free software (eg. without Sun's JDK) 2) To put together a distrib

Free Java specifications (was Re: Java Policy.)

2002-05-12 Thread Jim Pick
I think the Debian Java policy, as currently stated, is slightly flawed, as it tries to satisfy two goals that aren't completely orthogonal: 1) To get as much free Java software into Debian as possible, that runs without non-free software (eg. without Sun's JDK) 2) To put together a distri