Re: JVM Registry (was: CLASSPATH and Jikes)

2002-11-04 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:47:50AM +1100, Ben Burton wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > Hi > > Well that was fun, somebody unsubscribed me from debian-java; the first I > heard was the successful unsubscription notification. As a result I nearly > missed this. But an

Re: JVM Registry (was: CLASSPATH and Jikes)

2002-11-04 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 04:14:06PM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote: > I am attempting to resurrect both my Kaffe package and my involvement > therein. This JVM registry seems like a great idea. What would it take > to move it forward? Well some development of a working format for the repository and to

Re: JVM Registry (was: CLASSPATH and Jikes)

2002-11-03 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:47:50AM +1100, Ben Burton wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > Hi > > Well that was fun, somebody unsubscribed me from debian-java; the first I > heard was the successful unsubscription notification. As a result I nearly > missed this. But an

Re: JVM Registry (was: CLASSPATH and Jikes)

2002-11-03 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 04:14:06PM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote: > I am attempting to resurrect both my Kaffe package and my involvement > therein. This JVM registry seems like a great idea. What would it take > to move it forward? Well some development of a working format for the repository and to

Re: JVM Registry (was: CLASSPATH and Jikes)

2002-10-29 Thread Ben Burton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well that was fun, somebody unsubscribed me from debian-java; the first I heard was the successful unsubscription notification. As a result I nearly missed this. But anyway: > I am attempting to resurrect both my Kaffe package and my involvement

Re: JVM Registry (was: CLASSPATH and Jikes)

2002-10-29 Thread Ean Schuessler
I am attempting to resurrect both my Kaffe package and my involvement therein. This JVM registry seems like a great idea. What would it take to move it forward? On Fri, 2002-04-05 at 13:56, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > http://people.debian.org/~bab/javareg/ -- __

Re: JVM Registry (was: CLASSPATH and Jikes)

2002-10-29 Thread Ben Burton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well that was fun, somebody unsubscribed me from debian-java; the first I heard was the successful unsubscription notification. As a result I nearly missed this. But anyway: > I am attempting to resurrect both my Kaffe package and my involvement

Re: JVM Registry (was: CLASSPATH and Jikes)

2002-10-29 Thread Ean Schuessler
I am attempting to resurrect both my Kaffe package and my involvement therein. This JVM registry seems like a great idea. What would it take to move it forward? On Fri, 2002-04-05 at 13:56, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > http://people.debian.org/~bab/javareg/ -- __

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-18 Thread Adam Majer
On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 09:19:13PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So, kaffe would add an alternative of > /wherever/kaffe/puts/Klasses.jar for (eg) > /usr/share/java/bootclasses.jar . And jikes would take its > bootclasspath (by default) from /usr/shar/java/bootclasses.jar. > Using bootclass

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-18 Thread Adam Majer
On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 09:51:13PM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > Robert Bihlmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Oh, you don't seem to know the path from the top of your head! Me > > neither. That's the point of jikes-kaffe: relieving you from having to > > remember the obscure bootclasses p

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-17 Thread Adam Majer
On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 09:19:13PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So, kaffe would add an alternative of > /wherever/kaffe/puts/Klasses.jar for (eg) > /usr/share/java/bootclasses.jar . And jikes would take its > bootclasspath (by default) from /usr/shar/java/bootclasses.jar. > Using bootclas

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-17 Thread Adam Majer
On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 09:51:13PM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > Robert Bihlmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Oh, you don't seem to know the path from the top of your head! Me > > neither. That's the point of jikes-kaffe: relieving you from having to > > remember the obscure bootclasses

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-13 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Robert Bihlmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Oh, you don't seem to know the path from the top of your head! Me > neither. That's the point of jikes-kaffe: relieving you from having to > remember the obscure bootclasses path(s). Especially since the new kaffe upload removed /usr/share/kaffe/Klas

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-13 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Robert Bihlmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Oh, you don't seem to know the path from the top of your head! Me > neither. That's the point of jikes-kaffe: relieving you from having to > remember the obscure bootclasses path(s). Especially since the new kaffe upload removed /usr/share/kaffe/Kla

Re: JVM Registry (was: CLASSPATH and Jikes)

2002-04-05 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 02:23:25PM +1000, Ben Burton wrote: > > > This is exactly the Java registry idea that's been discussed here in > > the past. Check the archives from the end of last year. You might > > in particular see Ben Burton's message with subject "JVM Registry: > > Implemented". >

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-05 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 05:31:53PM -0800, Joe Emenaker wrote: > > > I was just thinking of a simple way to set up my classpath so I made > > this suggestion. But if it is not common to do somthing like that, then > > I have to live with that. And maybe collecting all libs might not lead > > to the

Re: JVM Registry (was: CLASSPATH and Jikes)

2002-04-05 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 02:23:25PM +1000, Ben Burton wrote: > > > This is exactly the Java registry idea that's been discussed here in > > the past. Check the archives from the end of last year. You might > > in particular see Ben Burton's message with subject "JVM Registry: > > Implemented". >

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-05 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 05:31:53PM -0800, Joe Emenaker wrote: > > > I was just thinking of a simple way to set up my classpath so I made > > this suggestion. But if it is not common to do somthing like that, then > > I have to live with that. And maybe collecting all libs might not lead > > to th

JVM Registry (was: CLASSPATH and Jikes)

2002-04-03 Thread Ben Burton
> This is exactly the Java registry idea that's been discussed here in > the past. Check the archives from the end of last year. You might > in particular see Ben Burton's message with subject "JVM Registry: > Implemented". > > I believe most people think it's basically a good idea, but I'm not

JVM Registry (was: CLASSPATH and Jikes)

2002-04-03 Thread Ben Burton
> This is exactly the Java registry idea that's been discussed here in > the past. Check the archives from the end of last year. You might > in particular see Ben Burton's message with subject "JVM Registry: > Implemented". > > I believe most people think it's basically a good idea, but I'm not

Re: Fw: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-03 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 05:19:29PM -0800, Joe Emenaker wrote: > On a related note This is exactly the Java registry idea that's been discussed here in the past. Check the archives from the end of last year. You might in particular see Ben Burton's message with subject "JVM Registry: Impleme

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-03 Thread Joe Emenaker
> I was just thinking of a simple way to set up my classpath so I made > this suggestion. But if it is not common to do somthing like that, then > I have to live with that. And maybe collecting all libs might not lead > to the expected result, because of combining libs in different versions > with

Fw: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-03 Thread Joe Emenaker
> It would be nice to have debconf provide a list of suitable installed > JVM's. It could also have another option to select the path of a non-deb > JDK installation. On a related note After having just made some .debs for j2sdk1.4, jbuilder6, and jEdit, I had to write a couple of startup sc

Re: Fw: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-03 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 05:19:29PM -0800, Joe Emenaker wrote: > On a related note This is exactly the Java registry idea that's been discussed here in the past. Check the archives from the end of last year. You might in particular see Ben Burton's message with subject "JVM Registry: Implem

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-03 Thread Joe Emenaker
> I was just thinking of a simple way to set up my classpath so I made > this suggestion. But if it is not common to do somthing like that, then > I have to live with that. And maybe collecting all libs might not lead > to the expected result, because of combining libs in different versions > wit

Fw: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-03 Thread Joe Emenaker
> It would be nice to have debconf provide a list of suitable installed > JVM's. It could also have another option to select the path of a non-deb > JDK installation. On a related note After having just made some .debs for j2sdk1.4, jbuilder6, and jEdit, I had to write a couple of startup s

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-03 Thread Ola Lundqvist
Hi all. I recognize this discussion from some discussions some time ago. Then we discussed that every package that provides java classes should define its CLASSPATH in some way. I'd really like to see this in action. There are suggestions in http://bugs.debian.org/103420 I'll include it here for

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-03 Thread Ola Lundqvist
Hi all. I recognize this discussion from some discussions some time ago. Then we discussed that every package that provides java classes should define its CLASSPATH in some way. I'd really like to see this in action. There are suggestions in http://bugs.debian.org/103420 I'll include it here fo

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-02 Thread Adam Majer
On Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 02:13:32PM -0800, Stephen Zander wrote: > > "Colin" == Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Colin> That sounds like it would work better with autobuilders, > Colin> too - you could build-depend on jikes (>= foo), invoke > Colin> jikes-kaffe, and expect

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-02 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 08:43:55PM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > I also think the jikes-kaffe, etc proposals are silly: You should > > be able to achieve the same with a simple "jikes -bootclasspath > > /wherever/kaffe/puts/Klasses.jar". > > Oh, you don't seem

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-02 Thread Adam Majer
On Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 02:13:32PM -0800, Stephen Zander wrote: > > "Colin" == Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Colin> That sounds like it would work better with autobuilders, > Colin> too - you could build-depend on jikes (>= foo), invoke > Colin> jikes-kaffe, and expect

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-02 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I also think the jikes-kaffe, etc proposals are silly: You should > be able to achieve the same with a simple "jikes -bootclasspath > /wherever/kaffe/puts/Klasses.jar". Oh, you don't seem to know the path from the top of your head! Me neither. That's the point of jike

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-02 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 08:43:55PM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > I also think the jikes-kaffe, etc proposals are silly: You should > > be able to achieve the same with a simple "jikes -bootclasspath > > /wherever/kaffe/puts/Klasses.jar". > > Oh, you don't seem

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-02 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I also think the jikes-kaffe, etc proposals are silly: You should > be able to achieve the same with a simple "jikes -bootclasspath > /wherever/kaffe/puts/Klasses.jar". Oh, you don't seem to know the path from the top of your head! Me neither. That's the point of jik

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-01 Thread ota-2
On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 09:59:28PM -0600, Adam Majer wrote: > At this moment I am the maintainer for Jikes. The one thing that I > do not like about the package is that it does not work out of the > box without some intervention from the user. That is, CLASSPATH > needs to be defined. > > The tro

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-01 Thread ota-2
On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 09:59:28PM -0600, Adam Majer wrote: > At this moment I am the maintainer for Jikes. The one thing that I > do not like about the package is that it does not work out of the > box without some intervention from the user. That is, CLASSPATH > needs to be defined. > > The tr

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-01 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Stefan Rücker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Stefan Rücker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Indeed, but a compiler can't take all installed libs (some of which > > may not be in Debian packages, or not even in publically-readable > > locations) into account. > > But how can you compile your progr

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-01 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Stefan Rücker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Stefan Rücker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Indeed, but a compiler can't take all installed libs (some of which > > may not be in Debian packages, or not even in publically-readable > > locations) into account. > > But how can you compile your prog

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-31 Thread Stephen Zander
> "Colin" == Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Colin> That sounds like it would work better with autobuilders, Colin> too - you could build-depend on jikes (>= foo), invoke Colin> jikes-kaffe, and expect it to work everywhere. What he said -- Stephen (jdk maintainer) "A d

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-31 Thread Stephen Zander
> "Colin" == Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Colin> That sounds like it would work better with autobuilders, Colin> too - you could build-depend on jikes (>= foo), invoke Colin> jikes-kaffe, and expect it to work everywhere. What he said -- Stephen (jdk maintainer) "A

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-31 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 12:04:29PM +0100, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > Another way is to provide small scripts jikes-kaffe, jikes-ibm, > jikes-sun, etc. and make /usr/bin/jikes handled by > update-alternatives. This would make it consistent with how > /usr/bin/java is currently handled. (Perhaps the d

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-31 Thread Stefan Rücker
Hi Robert, On Saturday 30 March 2002 12:10, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > Stefan Rücker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [...] but then you have your compiler not running out of the box > > because many people use a big variety of libs for their programs > > (just think about xml or all the apache libs

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-31 Thread Stefan Rücker
Hi Adam, > > Don't forget Blackdown. > > Which package is that? There is no official package in debian but it could be found on blackdown mirrors under .../java.blackdown.org/debian/dists/woody/non-free/binary-i386/ A list of mirrors can be found on: http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-31 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 12:04:29PM +0100, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > Another way is to provide small scripts jikes-kaffe, jikes-ibm, > jikes-sun, etc. and make /usr/bin/jikes handled by > update-alternatives. This would make it consistent with how > /usr/bin/java is currently handled. (Perhaps the

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-31 Thread Stefan Rücker
Hi Robert, On Saturday 30 March 2002 12:10, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > Stefan Rücker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [...] but then you have your compiler not running out of the box > > because many people use a big variety of libs for their programs > > (just think about xml or all the apache lib

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-31 Thread Stefan Rücker
Hi Adam, > > Don't forget Blackdown. > > Which package is that? There is no official package in debian but it could be found on blackdown mirrors under .../java.blackdown.org/debian/dists/woody/non-free/binary-i386/ A list of mirrors can be found on: http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirror

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-30 Thread mark
Hi, On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 09:59:28PM -0600, Adam Majer wrote: > > Debconf should be used to allow the user to select the priority > of the classes that jikes should check for. IOW, something like > > [1] - Kaffe > [2] - Other [admin enters path] > [3] - IBM JDK > [4] - Sun. > etc... > > I loo

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-30 Thread Adam Majer
On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 08:12:09AM -0500, Jesse wrote: > On Fri, 2002-03-29 at 22:59, Adam Majer wrote: > > [1] - Kaffe > > [2] - Other [admin enters path] > > [3] - IBM JDK > > [4] - Sun. > > etc... > > > > Don't forget Blackdown. Which package is that? > It would be nice to have debconf provi

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-30 Thread mark
Hi, On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 09:59:28PM -0600, Adam Majer wrote: > > Debconf should be used to allow the user to select the priority > of the classes that jikes should check for. IOW, something like > > [1] - Kaffe > [2] - Other [admin enters path] > [3] - IBM JDK > [4] - Sun. > etc... > > I lo

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-30 Thread Adam Majer
On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 08:12:09AM -0500, Jesse wrote: > On Fri, 2002-03-29 at 22:59, Adam Majer wrote: > > [1] - Kaffe > > [2] - Other [admin enters path] > > [3] - IBM JDK > > [4] - Sun. > > etc... > > > > Don't forget Blackdown. Which package is that? > It would be nice to have debconf prov

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-30 Thread Jesse
On Fri, 2002-03-29 at 22:59, Adam Majer wrote: > [1] - Kaffe > [2] - Other [admin enters path] > [3] - IBM JDK > [4] - Sun. > etc... > Don't forget Blackdown. It would be nice to have debconf provide a list of suitable installed JVM's. It could also have another option to select the path of a no

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-30 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Stefan Rücker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [...] but then you have your compiler not running out of the box > because many people use a big variety of libs for their programs > (just think about xml or all the apache libs). Indeed, but a compiler can't take all installed libs (some of which may

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-30 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
"Adam Majer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Debconf should be used to allow the user to select the priority > of the classes that jikes should check for. IOW, something like > > [1] - Kaffe > [2] - Other [admin enters path] > [3] - IBM JDK > [4] - Sun. > etc... Another way is to provide small scr

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-30 Thread Jesse
On Fri, 2002-03-29 at 22:59, Adam Majer wrote: > [1] - Kaffe > [2] - Other [admin enters path] > [3] - IBM JDK > [4] - Sun. > etc... > Don't forget Blackdown. It would be nice to have debconf provide a list of suitable installed JVM's. It could also have another option to select the path of a n

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-30 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Stefan Rücker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [...] but then you have your compiler not running out of the box > because many people use a big variety of libs for their programs > (just think about xml or all the apache libs). Indeed, but a compiler can't take all installed libs (some of which may

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-30 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
"Adam Majer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Debconf should be used to allow the user to select the priority > of the classes that jikes should check for. IOW, something like > > [1] - Kaffe > [2] - Other [admin enters path] > [3] - IBM JDK > [4] - Sun. > etc... Another way is to provide small sc

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-29 Thread Stefan Rücker
Hi Adam, well I think that initially only the bootclasspath and the classpath for the main packages (java.**, javax.**, ...) should be specified by debconf. So your suggestion [1] Kaffe ... is quit allright but then you have your compiler not running out of the box because many people use a big

CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-29 Thread Adam Majer
Hi all, At this moment I am the maintainer for Jikes. The one thing that I do not like about the package is that it does not work out of the box without some intervention from the user. That is, CLASSPATH needs to be defined. The trouble is that I don't think it is up to me to decide which java

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-29 Thread Stefan Rücker
Hi Adam, well I think that initially only the bootclasspath and the classpath for the main packages (java.**, javax.**, ...) should be specified by debconf. So your suggestion [1] Kaffe ... is quit allright but then you have your compiler not running out of the box because many people use a bi

CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-29 Thread Adam Majer
Hi all, At this moment I am the maintainer for Jikes. The one thing that I do not like about the package is that it does not work out of the box without some intervention from the user. That is, CLASSPATH needs to be defined. The trouble is that I don't think it is up to me to decide which jav