Microsoft and .NET.
Much better than Sun and J2EE (Bill said so).
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Microsoft and .NET.
Much better than Sun and J2EE (Bill said so).
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> > * Rick Lutowski
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> > | (I have heard NS 4.x is 'dead', but it comprises about
> > | 20% of the browser market, and they keep releaseing new
> > | versions -- doesn't sound so dead to me! But it remains
> > |
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> > | (I have heard NS 4.x is 'dead', but it comprises about
> > | 20% of the browser market, and they keep releaseing new
> > | versions -- doesn't sound so dead to me! But it remains
> &g
leader not a follower, so why can't we lead the industry in
switching browsers to 1.4?
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leader not a follower, so why can't we lead the industry in
switching browsers to 1.4?
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Robert Bihlmeyer wrote:
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> Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Why have browsers been stuck at 1.1 for years? Just a wild
> > guess, but might it have something to do with MS stopping Java
> > support with 1.1, and also controlling 80% of the browser
Robert Bihlmeyer wrote:
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> Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Why have browsers been stuck at 1.1 for years? Just a wild
> > guess, but might it have something to do with MS stopping Java
> > support with 1.1, and also controlling 80% of the browser
the client or on the web. Complain about _Microsoft_
on the client and on the web. Therein lies the problem.
BTW, it's really great to hear there is now a recent version of
Java for PPC, even if it's only server-side capable. Every
additional bit of Java support helps in th
esult is a bloated web with a high
fluff to content ratio. Does this mean we should get rid
of images? No. Just try to avoid the sites that misuse
them, and be aware of the issue so we don't misuse them
ourselves! Same with Java, Flash, etc.
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the client or on the web. Complain about _Microsoft_
on the client and on the web. Therein lies the problem.
BTW, it's really great to hear there is now a recent version of
Java for PPC, even if it's only server-side capable. Every
additional bit of Java support helps in th
esult is a bloated web with a high
fluff to content ratio. Does this mean we should get rid
of images? No. Just try to avoid the sites that misuse
them, and be aware of the issue so we don't misuse them
ourselves! Same with Java, Flash, etc.
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y stuck at 1.1 forever or we all suffer
(i.e, new browser technology will be MS-driven by default)
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y stuck at 1.1 forever or we all suffer
(i.e, new browser technology will be MS-driven by default)
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Josh Huber wrote:
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> Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized.
> > 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers
> > 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Java 3D for browsers
> > 3. No Java
Josh Huber wrote:
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> Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized.
> > 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers
> > 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Java 3D for browsers
> > 3. No Java
lawsuit against MS is almost totally
for the purpose of ensuring Java Plug-in continues to
work with IE (which due to the MS desktop monopoly
currently has 80% of the browser marketshare).
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lawsuit against MS is almost totally
for the purpose of ensuring Java Plug-in continues to
work with IE (which due to the MS desktop monopoly
currently has 80% of the browser marketshare).
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. Build
for the future (and direct noise at Netscape), and browsers will
follow.
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. Build
for the future (and direct noise at Netscape), and browsers will
follow.
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et of API specs for Java, effectively an alternative to
the JCP, without in any way compromising the portability of Sun-standard
J
et of API specs for Java, effectively an alternative to
the JCP, without in any way compromising the portability of Sun-standard
J
" and then base long-term packaging policies
on such false notions will only lead to trouble later when JCK
becomes available to free projects, and the fallacy of such
thinking becomes more obvious.
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" and then base long-term packaging policies
on such false notions will only lead to trouble later when JCK
becomes available to free projects, and the fallacy of such
thinking becomes more obvious.
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e docs.
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t to say
PATH=$PATH:/bin; export PATH
(Don't forget the "/bin")
Hope this helps.
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t to say
PATH=$PATH:/bin; export PATH
(Don't forget the "/bin")
Hope this helps.
Rick
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"Michael C. Alonzo" wrote:
>
> Is there a J2EE package available for debian?
j2sdkee-1.2.1 was on the blackdown site at the end of 2000.
Checking now, it looks like the pulled EE. Doubt it was
due to technical reasons as 1.2.1 seems to work ok (the
little I've used it).
Have you tried the EE fo
"Michael C. Alonzo" wrote:
>
> Is there a J2EE package available for debian?
j2sdkee-1.2.1 was on the blackdown site at the end of 2000.
Checking now, it looks like the pulled EE. Doubt it was
due to technical reasons as 1.2.1 seems to work ok (the
little I've used it).
Have you tried the EE f
Per Bothner wrote:
>
> Rick Lutowski wrote:
> > Is this due to awt peers not being available for GCJ?
>
> No - (some) peers are available. The political and license issues
> have been resolved recently, and the Classpath AWT code has been
> merged in. Tom Tromey has
Per Bothner wrote:
>
> Rick Lutowski wrote:
> > Is this due to awt peers not being available for GCJ?
>
> No - (some) peers are available. The political and license issues
> have been resolved recently, and the Classpath AWT code has been
> merged in. Tom Tromey has
erent than attempting to faithfully implement
the specs. Sun has always looked favorably on those who
do the latter and, in fact, has always expected optimized
JDK implementations to be developed for various platforms.
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erent than attempting to faithfully implement
the specs. Sun has always looked favorably on those who
do the latter and, in fact, has always expected optimized
JDK implementations to be developed for various platforms.
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Ben Burton wrote:
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> Install package java-common; it's in there.
>
> It's also up at:
> http://people.debian.org/~opal/java/policy.html
Actually prefer the web link as it's much more
up to date than the install CD.
Thanks for the pointer.
R
Ben Burton wrote:
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> Install package java-common; it's in there.
>
> It's also up at:
> http://people.debian.org/~opal/java/policy.html
Actually prefer the web link as it's much more
up to date than the install CD.
Thanks for the pointer.
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Ryan Shaw wrote:
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> Hmmm...I haven't had any problems with HTML in documentation
> blocks...but I don't know if I've specifically used .
works fine in javadoc -- I use it all the time.
Don't know about doxygen tho.
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n with
dselect.)
Is the policy file on the web somewhere (debian site,
jakarta site, etc.)? Thanks.
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Ryan Shaw wrote:
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> Hmmm...I haven't had any problems with HTML in documentation
> blocks...but I don't know if I've specifically used .
works fine in javadoc -- I use it all the time.
Don't know about doxygen tho.
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n with
dselect.)
Is the policy file on the web somewhere (debian site,
jakarta site, etc.)? Thanks.
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ystem that uses
> java in their mission-critical systems?
>
> Thanks.
Is Wall Street mission-critical enough? The trading
community was perhaps the first major adopter of Java
outside of Silicon Valley 5 years ago. (Leave it to
Wall Street to know right away where the money is!:-
1.4.0 Java Plug-in (with
or without java3d) in Netscape on debian?
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ystem that uses
> java in their mission-critical systems?
>
> Thanks.
Is Wall Street mission-critical enough? The trading
community was perhaps the first major adopter of Java
outside of Silicon Valley 5 years ago. (Leave it to
Wall Street to know right away where the money is!:-
with 1.4.0 Java Plug-in (with
or without java3d) in Netscape on debian?
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d this was because Sun tests
on Red Hat, but not debian. As a result, I always use
blackdown on debian, never Sun (and am still waiting for
blackdown 1.4). Used to use Sun on RH and it works fine
there (well, except on RH 7.0, which had a buggy glibc!)
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d this was because Sun tests
on Red Hat, but not debian. As a result, I always use
blackdown on debian, never Sun (and am still waiting for
blackdown 1.4). Used to use Sun on RH and it works fine
there (well, except on RH 7.0, which had a buggy glibc!)
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iscussion takes place out of the list, can you
> cc me? Thanks.
I also find this topic interesting and would like to know more
about proper packaging of Java for debian. Please include me
also on the cc (or just keep it on the list unless the experts
say they are bored with
the discussion takes place out of the list, can you
> cc me? Thanks.
I also find this topic interesting and would like to know more
about proper packaging of Java for debian. Please include me
also on the cc (or just keep it on the list unless the experts
say they are bored with
ge number of users might be successful where a single request
from jakarta was not. But this is jumping ahead. First, it would help
to know exactly what the real problem is.
Is the problem that vendor licensing prohibits redistribution, and
if so, for exactly which vendor/jar
large number of users might be successful where a single request
from jakarta was not. But this is jumping ahead. First, it would help
to know exactly what the real problem is.
Is the problem that vendor licensing prohibits redistribution, and
if so, for exactly which vendor/jar
an be placed on
the debian-java e-mail server and filter things centrally
for all of us. Good idea, or bad?
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an be placed on
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o Java on Linux as have
used it since Randy Chapman's first 1.0.2 version). So please
forgive my ignorance, but which URL is "incoming"? Are you
refering to the blackdown porting team development versions?
If so, how does one join the access list?
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not to Java on Linux as have
used it since Randy Chapman's first 1.0.2 version). So please
forgive my ignorance, but which URL is "incoming"? Are you
refering to the blackdown porting team development versions?
If so, how does one join the access list?
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he Measure Units Conversin Package jar
file
which may be helpful for this. For a code snippet this samll, set the
iteration count to a million or so iterations to get reliable times to
compare.
The results, of course, will only be valid for the JVM and host on which
you
run the test.
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he Measure Units Conversin Package jar
file
which may be helpful for this. For a code snippet this samll, set the
iteration count to a million or so iterations to get reliable times to
compare.
The results, of course, will only be valid for the JVM and host on which
you
run the test.
Hope t
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